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Out of all the trades that he’s done since coming to Toronto, there’s only maybe 3 trades you can consider to be a “fleece” and even then it feels like those trades were done with win-win intentions in mind.
Here’s a list of notable trades he’s done as a Raptors executive.
July 10, 2013: Traded Andrea Bargnani to the New York Knicks for Marcus Camby, Steve Novak, Quentin Richardson, a 2014 2nd round draft pick (Xavier Thames was later selected), a 2016 1st round draft pick (Jakob Pöltl was later selected) and a 2017 2nd round draft pick (Jonah Bolden was later selected).
This is usually the trade that comes up when we talk about Masai fleecing another team, but it was essentially Bargnani for a bunch of dead salary as well as a FRP that was expected to be a late pick as the Knicks just came off of a 54 win season with Melo in his prime. In theory having a stretch 4 next to Tyson Chandler was a proven formula, and Bargs actually played well for a stretch prior to getting injured. I think he could’ve been a decent contributor if the Knicks continued their success from their prior year and Felton/JR didn’t fall off a cliff.
December 9, 2013: Traded Quincy Acy, Rudy Gay and Aaron Gray to the Sacramento Kings for Chuck Hayes, Patrick Patterson, John Salmons and Greivis Vásquez.
Fair trade, don’t think anybody fleeced anybody here. If anything we gave up the better player, but it’s fine since Rudy didn’t really fit our team.
June 25, 2015: Traded Greivis Vásquez to the Milwaukee Bucks for Norman Powell and a 2017 1st round draft pick (OG Anunoby was later selected).
This is another trade that we usually refer to as a fleece, but only because we actually used those picks well. We could’ve easily drafted Harry Giles and Dakari Johnson with those picks and it wouldn’t ever have been considered a fleece. Vasquez was considered one of the better bench guards in the league when he was with us, nobody expected him to fall off so much after he got traded.
Traded Terrence Ross and a 2017 1st round draft pick (Anžejs Pasečņiks was later selected) to the Orlando Magic for Serge Ibaka. (2017 1st-Rd pick will be less favorable of TOR & LAC picks)
Not a fleece even though it worked out for us. Ross was a former lottery pick and we gave a FRP for Ibaka which is pretty fair value given his down year.
February 23, 2017: Traded Jared Sullinger, a 2017 2nd round draft pick (Alec Peters was later selected) and a 2018 2nd round draft pick (George King was later selected) to the Phoenix Suns for P.J. Tucker.
Basically salary 2nds for half a season of PJ Tucker. Good trade but didn’t really work out for us either since PJ left in the off season.
July 13, 2017: Traded DeMarre Carroll, a 2018 1st round draft pick (Džanan Musa was later selected) and a 2018 2nd round draft pick (Rodions Kurucs was later selected) to the Brooklyn Nets for Justin Hamilton.
Had to give a FRP to get rid of a previous mistake in Carroll. The Nets got the better end of this trade IMO.
July 14, 2017: Traded Cory Joseph to the Indiana Pacers for Emir Preldžić.
Salary dump but I feel like we could’ve gotten some 2nds for Cojo atleast. Emir never played in the NBA.
February 8, 2018: Traded Bruno Caboclo to the Sacramento Kings for Malachi Richardson.
Fucking Malachi man, we gota stop signing Malachis to our team.
July 18, 2018: Traded DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Pöltl and a 2019 1st round draft pick (Keldon Johnson was later selected) to the San Antonio Spurs for Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard and cash. (2019 1st-rd pick is top-20 protected.) $5MM
Absolute fleece considering the outcome, but it was well known that the Spurs wanted an established all star back in a trade instead of young talent. We just happened to have an all star in DeMar, and even then it took a lot of balls on our end given Kawhi openly said he wanted to be in LA. Had we not won the chip we would’ve gave up Demar/Jakob/FRP for a one year rental.
February 7, 2019: Traded C.J. Miles, Jonas Valančiūnas, Delon Wright and a 2024 2nd round draft pick to the Memphis Grizzlies for Marc Gasol.
Win-win trade. Grizzlies get a young big to restart their rebuild and we get a win now player in Gasol. JV gave them two decent years and netted them their current center in Adams who was pivotal in their recent success.
March 25, 2021: Traded Norman Powell to the Portland Trail Blazers for Rodney Hood and Gary Trent Jr.. Portland also received a trade exception
Win-win, Portland gets a win now player in Norm and we get a young replacement in Gary. Gary didn’t turn into the player we hoped and the Blazers ended up trading Norm for peanuts (which is their fault), but the idea behind the trade was a win win IMO.
August 6, 2021: Traded Kyle Lowry to the Miami Heat for Precious Achiuwa and Goran Dragic. Toronto also received a trade exception
Win win trade at the time, we send Kyle to where he wants to go and receive a young player in Precious. Unfortunate it didn’t work out.
February 10, 2022: Traded Goran Dragic and a 2022 1st round draft pick (Malaki Branham was later selected) to the San Antonio Spurs for Drew Eubanks, Thaddeus Young and a 2022 2nd round draft pick (Christian Koloko was later selected). Toronto also received a trade exception 2022 2nd-rd pick is DET own 2022 1st-rd pick is top-14 protected
Kind of a L for us, basically moving 10 spots down for Thad as well as getting rid of Dragic.
February 9, 2023: Traded Khem Birch, a 2023 2nd round draft pick (Sidy Cissoko was later selected), a 2024 1st round draft pick ( was later selected) and a 2025 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the San Antonio Spurs for Jakob Poeltl. 2023 2nd-rd pick was TOR own conditional 2024 1st-rd pick is TOR own 2025 2nd-rd pick is TOR own
Hard to judge this trade yet. Could be a win win, could be a L but it was obviously done with win win intentions.
December 30, 2023: Traded Precious Achiuwa, OG Anunoby and Malachi Flynn to the New York Knicks for R.J. Barrett, Immanuel Quickley and a 2024 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected). Toronto also received a trade exception 2024 2nd-rd pick is DET own New York also received a trade exception
Win win trade so far.
So out of 15 trades only 3 are really considered a fleece, and that’s only because the Knicks unexpected imploded and we hit on the late picks from the Vasquez trade. Seems to me like Masai actually tries to make win win trades more often than not instead of one sided trades. Idk why people act like he’s trying to scam other teams every time.
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