Coming soon - Get a detailed view of why an account is flagged as spam!
view details
37
The Case for Naked Shorts
Post Flair (click to view more posts with a particular flair)
Post Body

Iā€™ve made the majority of my trading profits from my weekly income selling weekly Naked Puts and Calls, but mostly calls. When I mention this to other traders, theta gang in particular, their reaction is one of concern, disgust, disbelief or some combination thereof. Selling naked gets a bad rap from traders that have gotten burned or downright wrecked in the past. Conventional wisdom is that shorting Naked Options is simply too dangerous. Eventually Iā€™m going to ā€œlearn my lessonā€ and I too, will have my own come to Jesus moment and abandon the practice. Itā€™s YOLO thinking and true disciplined trading inherently requires risk management.

While I can certainly attest to having gotten caught in a gamma squeeze or 2 myself (the last GME and that was not fun) Iā€™m here to argue the case why selling Naked is preferable to traditional Credit Spreads or Strangles. Any trade can and often will require active management to stay successful. By being Naked, you have the advantage to employ your existing capital more effectively and defensively when your position is challenged. I believe Theta gang philosophy IS by far, the superior and safest way to trade. But being Naked has its place and before rendering me a heretic, hereā€™s why and how Iā€™ve reached this conclusion. Letā€™s start with Theta Gangā€™s 4 Disciples:

Hereā€™s the 4 most popular theta gang strategies

  1. Put Credit Spread
  2. Call Credit Spread
  3. Covered Puts / ā€œThe Wheelā€
  4. Short Iron Condor

The Problem with Credit Spreads

is simple. What if you didnā€™t need that protective call/put after all? Your net profit window is smaller by having to stay above the break even point. It also makes it harder to adjust the strike price if it needs to be managed. I understand having a defined maximum loss but the reality is you should always be using a maximum stop loss and in actuality you could be finding better entry points. While its true spreads are less capital intensive for traders that donā€™t have margin, this also provides the temptation to then sell more contracts when you otherwise wouldnā€™t.

The Problem with Strangles

Strangles are sold or were at least sold to me as a neutral strategy. But this seems counterintuitive to the method of profiting by collecting premium. Selling premium is most profitable when volatility is high, i.e. a large directional movement in price and/or demand for the asset. The more ballistic the move, the higher the IV. So if the price jumps way up, because of Gamma, the premium on calls is going to be much higher than the premium for puts. So selling a put credit spread after price just made a huge jump higher gives you shit for premium then exposes you to getting checked if the price comes back down. Same thing in reverse. So itā€™s not exactly "neutral" if one side is more vulnerable. Equally, if price has been trading sideways, usually the volatility is so low that there's not enough premium to justify even entering a position and if you do, youā€™re now vulnerable to sudden price movements.

TRADING NAKED

First things first. If Theta is Law, it stands to reason that contracts closest to expiration provide the best opportunity for time decay to work in our favor. Therefore I focus on selling weekly contracts; expiring at the end of the week. I look to find setups where price is heading towards a natural area of support/resistance, then sell a strike price thatā€™s further OTM than said area, betting that it will be strong enough to slow or reverse price just long enough for the contract to expire worthless on Friday. If I can get 50-60% by Wednesday I take profit. I also put a .25 stop limit in too once Iā€™m ITM because the same trade can always be reentered again and I can adjust entry to max changes in condition. Since the market has been going up and to the right pretty much since 2009, I have grown accustomed to selling calls simply because the Gamma for calls in a bull market is greater allowing for safer OTM entries.

To find support and resistance, I use a combination of moving averages, trendlines, and Fibonacci retracements, but there's one indicator thatā€™s superior to all others in establishing price volatility. So much so that I use it as a condition for entering trades off top. The Bollinger Bands (i.e. Standard Deviations) give the clearest evidence to assess if price is at a level thatā€™s historically overbought/oversold. The best thing is, you can backcheck in real time to see how price has behaved at the level in the past. I use 6 Bollinger bands, but for the case of naked trading here Iā€™ll only focus on 2 and provide two examples, SPY and TSLA.

SPY is important because generally whatever the SPY is doing will have a greater impact on what the rest of the market does, and TSLA is an example for stocks notorious for volatility. Input the following 2 bands

For SPY WEEKLY CHART 1) 2.25, -2.25 2) 2.8, -3.7

For TSLA WEEKLY CHART 1) 2.8, -3.27 2) 3.7, -3.4

*Try it: YUR WEEKLY CHART 1) 3.5, -4 2) AHC, ALC

*Try this on your favorite equity. On a WEEKLY chart scroll back so #2 is just PAST the the highest (AHC) and lowest (ALC) all time weekly close. Mine lets me go back to 2002-3.

The significance in these values is, in my research (feel free to correct me if Iā€™m wrong), there has been no historical weekly CLOSE above or below the #2 levels. Price has pierced but it has never CLOSED for SPY and TSLA respectively. Try it on another equity you trade frequently. Input these levels, and scroll back through time. See if you find any weekly closes above or below and just adjust the level/s accordingly to enclose it. I use the #1 as an alert level, once hit I reassess to look for further evidence of support/ resistance at this level and if everything checks out I sell ONE yes ONE contract AT #2 or FURTHER OTM strike. I start with one contract only so if the strike price gets checked, I have more capital available to deal with it.

CONTINGENCY PLAN

Lets say I sold a call and price is currently trading above my level. I have a few different options to keep the trade successful. Keep in mind, the fact I'm only in for one contract makes it much easier to manage, since the least amount of capital has been used thus far.

  1. ROLL UP: Vertical Roll- My go to if price is parabolic and/or i really want to exit the trade THIS week. Usually this requires selling additional contracts to roll up the position intraweekly to a further (ITM) strike price. I sell just enough to where credit for the roll is small or even zero. Creating more distance from the price gives me the best chance of the position expiring worthless by Friday.
  2. SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE: Let's say the contract is currently $-400.00 I can roll the existing contract intraweekly or out to next week to a level high enough for a $200 debit then immediately sell a put (or divide into multiple puts) intraweekly for $200 or more credit effectively converting to a strangle. Because each side is smaller your strike can be further, improving chances of expiring worthless.
  3. PUNT: Calendar Roll I can roll to the following week or weeks using the additional time premium to get a further OTM strike (or as above converting to a strangle with 2 contracts as in #2).
  4. SWITCH SIDES: Roll the Call to an put of the same value. You can also increase the quantity but the less contracts the better. Now in fairness I don't normally do this at this particular moment where I established a strong directional bias.. BUT it IS an option at your disposal. There's times when conditions change, new event/info and my opinion on the trade direction completely flips . This is beautiful too because it just highlights the power of being an option seller. What other traders, can just at any moment, for any reason say "you know what, fuck it!" and immediately take the opposite side of the trade? That's like Shang Tsung level shit!!. Option sellers for life man I swear! ** I've discovered in talking to some traders that not all trading platforms allow you to change types (call to put, put to a call) in a roll order. That sucks! I use Tradestation it allows me to change the type, strike, quantity, and/or expiration all within one order. I highly recommend finding a brokerage platform that allows you to do this.
  5. ASSIGN and REINCARNATE: A)Accepting assignment B) Sell new options collecting a premium amount > or equal to the amount the unrealized loss of the assigned shares C) exit the assignment shares position. I commonly hear traders when discussing the wheel say " I only sell puts at strikes I don't mind going long at". I 100% agree and I also agree a call position should be no different. I would never sell a call at a price I wouldnā€™t believe to be an optimal level to short. If it was a good level to go short then you shouldn't mind getting assigned and entering a short position. Its even happened a few times where when I checked back premarket on Monday the following week, because of premarket movement my assigned short shares were ALREADY in profit. However If youā€™re still negative, you can supplant the unrealized loss with new credit and as long as you do this intraday- the account size will not change. *** Its also worth noting that once I've decided that FRIDAY that accept assignment , I can and usually do sell a couple more OTM strikes that day to take advantage the gamma run up to lock in some small gains by the close which can also offset if not completely cover the amount the shares are negative come Monday morning

SUMMARY

Naked trading is possible with a stringent entry criteria. Is there risk ? YES! Weā€™re traders! There's risk in everything. But at the end of the day a naked short is nothing more than a getting paid to place a limit order. Donā€™t long or short a price you wouldnā€™t already be comfortable going long or short at. My personal criteria for enter ANY position.

  1. I only sell positions when price at a historically verified overbought/sold levels via the Bollinger band. It has to be at or past level #1 then I sell the #2 level or further OTM
  2. I only sell one contract to start, to allow greater freedom if the trade needs to be managed.
  3. I manage the damn trade! A 50% win in half the time or a .25 ITM stop out is STILL a W. Thereā€™s always another trade to make. If the trade needs to be defended, use the changes in condition and your account to find the best course of action. If you get assigned you can always supplant the existing loss amount with new premium on a new trade. Realized loss only occurs when intraday daily credit is less than the debit.

NEW TRADERS- It should be noted, going back to using the Bollinger Band #1 levels as a MANDATORY condition for even considering entering the trade is the really the crux of the whole argument and can not be stressed enough. Furthermore that's just the first step. You really need more evidence of support/resistance to justify taking the position. Keeping the criteria for entry strict to severe price extreme is what makes this conservative and if you don't follow it you're just being reckless and you will most likely get wrekt. For me, this makes my life super easy because if price is not at or over that first level I DONā€™T TRADE IT! period. Itā€™s that simple. And then I make it a point to sell a contract even further OTM at level #2 to further minimize risk. I suggest you try this criteria on your own equities that you trade often. Adjust the #2 past the the furthest weekly close on the high side and the low side and maintain this as a basic guide, it'll keep your ass out of so many bad trades. I canā€™t stress that enough. Some other things to consider;

Keep trade sizes low and only trade the equities your account can handle.

Never sell options BEFORE earnings; try a small OTM long straddle instead if you wanna play the lotto. Avoid selling calls on heavily shorted stocks (>20% float)

Comments
[not loaded or deleted]

Mom!!! Please get off my post! You promised me

[not loaded or deleted]

Well holy shit- positive feedback- Thank you and yes Iā€™m not arguing that naked is the best or how that's you should trade Iā€™m simply arguing a use case for it drawing on my own experience. And the strict criteria for entry, why I even feel comfortable trading naked in the first place IS the bollinger band condition. I donā€™t think people realize just how extreme a 3.4 standard deviation move on a weekly chart is! It rarely ever happens and thatā€™s the point. Waiting till price is at its extremes and THEN selling even further OTM on a weekly where theta gives us the best chance for success is powerful! and it is, in my opinion, a conservative approach .

[not loaded or deleted]

2.8 is the up band -3.7 is the lower band. Thatā€™s the data values you input ā€œ. Most of the time billingrr bands default to 2,-2 but they can be adjusted to whatever you want

In the examples youā€™re plotting 2 different bollinger bands #1 and #2 and yes the upper is different than the bottom mainly because when prices are falling to this extreme people are usually in panic mode so the put side is lower. I have 6 bollinger bands that I plot cuz many stocks trade with greater volatility and certainly intraday is more volatile as well.

[not loaded or deleted]

Sure thing- that's what the groups for right? Thetagang!!

[not loaded or deleted]

& yes You could say if I only wait till something passes 2.25, -2.25 level i wonā€™t get to trade very much.. thatā€™s true if youā€™re JUST looking at one particular equity But if you spend your time, as I do looking ONLY for stocks that are over the level thereā€™s alot more opportunity than youā€™d think and most of the risk has already been priced out because itā€™s already above 2.25 SD. I made $600 today on UPST alone selling 4 strikes and closing them all out at 70%- and it was a no -brainer. I never even heard of UPST before last week!! but it keeps showing up on my radar so fuck it

[not loaded or deleted]
[not loaded or deleted]

& yes You could say if I only wait till something passes 2.25, -2.25 level i wonā€™t get to trade very much.. thatā€™s true if youā€™re JUST looking at one particular equity But if you spend your time, as I do looking ONLY for stocks that are over the level thereā€™s alot more opportunity than youā€™d think and most of the risk has already been priced out because itā€™s already above 2.25 SD. I made $600 today on UPST alone selling 4 strikes and closing them all out at 70%- and it was a no -brainer. I never even heard of UPST before last week!! but it keeps showing up on my radar so fuck it

[not loaded or deleted]

Ok so OP is me.. I didnā€™t know what OP meant. I point it out the filtering criteria when I gave the criteria for plotting the standard deviations Iā€™ll have an alert level #1 of (2.25, 2.25) and then my entry #2 is based on the previous all time weekly high (AHC) and low (ALC) close on the weekly chart.

This assesses the close in relation to the volatility as quantified by the standard deviation. I gave the example of SPY and TSLA but the the AHC and ALC is different for each equity and needs to be adjusted accordingly.

[not loaded or deleted]

OP makes no mention of doing this .. who is OP?

[not loaded or deleted]

Keep in mind I trade weeklies, so my approach is for price movement within a very narrow timeframe and I size my position by using just 1 contract initially, adding to it as position gets challenged.

With respect to something like acquisition risk.. typically an announcement is made, the public reacts and then a price movement occurs. Not the other way around. Using a conservative criteria for entry, a theoretical candidate would likely not even show up on my radar until the news announcement when price has pushed to its historical extremes. At which point I would more than likely be able aware of the news and at the least be able to ascertain whether the play is worth the additional risk.

Have I ever gotten burned selling calls? I got caught in one of the weekly gamma squeezes of GME in 1/21. I had 6 contracts of the 60 strike price which the furthest available that week, Come Monday morning the premarket opened at 94..so ya I would think that counts. I knew nothing at the time about wallstreetbets or even reddit for that matter and learned my lesson about shorting heavily shorted companies.

[not loaded or deleted]

Funny you should say that because I made profit on my NVDA short using the 3.5SD strike as entry the on weekex 5/26/23. Would do again if it meets my criteria for entry which is has not the last 6 candles. The issue for me with NVDA is its too high in price to justify that large of an allocation when plenty of other stocks less than 100 are yielding good premium.

[not loaded or deleted]

Your counterpoints are definitely well noted. Listen, I really don't care if anyone believes me or not. You can always back-test the method and see for yourself. If it works for you great if it doesn't you've lost nothing. Do whatever works for you regardless of what I or anyone else says. Think for yourself!

[not loaded or deleted]

I started listening but he lost me when he said he trades around 45-60 DTE. 1) I trade weeklies. I donā€™t like having my capital tied up that long. 2) In the example he gave his profit was around 900-1K. I can make that in 1-2 weeks. I closed out $600 from NVDA this morning and I put the trade in yesterday. 3) lastly he and pretty much all of them say, their strategy is so great so effective but if not ā€œjust make sure youā€™re comfortable accepting assignmentā€ well no shit genius! I donā€™t know that seems to just be such a copout If youā€™re comfortable with assignment on a equity then why use a protective put? Idk everybodyā€™s different . Iā€™m very comfortable with my style and my technical analysis.. I like the high volatility trades where I can take advantage of the high premium and use my technical analysis to find conservative strikes to sell.

I will watch the whole thing and maybe watch it one more time. It seems like itā€™s something to Hard go backtest too but I appreciate the recommendation

[not loaded or deleted]

The last few weeks Iā€™ve been doing strangles on KOLD & CYTK cuz theyā€™ve been paying up the ass in premium.

Wherever the price is pre market Monday Iā€™ll put out a limit order -whatever the ATM average seems to be (CYTK averaging around $4.5-5.0, KOLD was averaging $6-7 all December! ) on the strike price above and below the opening, and then repeat the same limit order every $2 higher and lower 2-3 more times. Normally I donā€™t bother with strangles but with premium being this ridiculous I couldnā€™t pass up.

$1500 expiring tomorrow

[not loaded or deleted]

Calls seem to come up more because weā€™ve been in a bull market more or less since the 2009 low. I sell puts at support on the pullbacks, but in an uptrend premium skews more to the call side since thatā€™s the side that gets challenged more . I just go where the premium is.

[not loaded or deleted]

lol well I do charge for it too, on my site etc but I give it to you mfs for free cuz you at least ya'll have enough sense to be option sellers!

[not loaded or deleted]
[not loaded or deleted]
[not loaded or deleted]

& yes You could say if I only wait till something passes 2.25, -2.25 level i wonā€™t get to trade very much.. thatā€™s true if youā€™re JUST looking at one particular equity But if you spend your time, as I do looking ONLY for stocks that are over the level thereā€™s alot more opportunity than youā€™d think and most of the risk has already been priced out because itā€™s already above 2.25 SD. I made $600 today on UPST alone selling 4 strikes and closing them all out at 70%- and it was a no -brainer. I never even heard of UPST before last week!! but it keeps showing up on my radar so fuck it

[not loaded or deleted]

Each Bollinger Band is 2 sided, but I plot more than one Band. In fact I plot 6 going all the way up to (6,-6) SD. My alert (2.25, -2.25) band is just a general because most activity falls within these.

The #2 is based on being just above and below the all time weekly high and low close was -in relation to the band. This lets me know how volatile the stock has behaved in the past, I know what itā€™s capable of doing.

For equities like COIN that do not have an extensive history this is a little trickier, so Iā€™ll tend to stay more conservative around the (4,-4) SD because I donā€™t want to apart of history again like GME did when it got as high as 6 SD on a weekly.

[not loaded or deleted]

Iā€™ll do a strangle right after earnings if thereā€™s been a huge jump in price- normally after a big earnings jump price just trade sideways for a few days and I can take advantage of the IV

[not loaded or deleted]

2 things - 1) Why don't you ROLL some or half the the calls you're currently holding to puts?

2) if you used my criteria to assess your original entry - would you have entered? or perhaps you shorted too early with more than 1 contract?

[not loaded or deleted]

Seems pretty sound.. I've been doing 5DTEs for so long now I'm used to it, so for to me wouldn't be able to sleep at night holding a CC for 30-45 days unless! That's way too much time for shit to to go left.

[not loaded or deleted]

To answer your question directly I do what I can to push my position to a strike price above 4 standard deviation level on the weekly chart and then I feel more comfortable accept assignment as more often than not price will often retreat from these levels to consolidate before pushing up again.

[not loaded or deleted]
[not loaded or deleted]

To answer your question directly I do what I can to push my position to a strike price above 4 standard deviation level on the weekly chart and then I feel more comfortable accept assignment as more often than not price will often retreat from these levels to consolidate before pushing up again.

[not loaded or deleted]

The issue is Gamma. When there's upward pressure on price this significantly affects the call premium more than the put premium. This allows me to collect better premium on a higher OTM call. I keep the criteria for entry such that price is already at a statistically over-extended level, so its arguably just a possible to retreat back in the opposite direction as it is to go higher.

Stated differently, is it safer to go long when price reaches its most historically extreme oversold level?

[not loaded or deleted]

Selling weeklies is one of the best use cases of putting theta to work in your favor.

No I'm not claiming to call the top of any market

Is my strategy about calling the top/bottom of the week? I mean, somebody I suppose you could oversimplify it along those lines but I gather evidence for existing support and resistance and place my limits further OTM using entry criteria that at quantifies the level to statistical or historical extremes.

The case for doing it naked is allows the most capital if and when its needed. However in the example I gave You could use the data points for SD #1 and #2 as the strike prices for a credit spread and i could function similarly with a defined max loss.

Author
Account Strength
100%
Account Age
4 years
Verified Email
Yes
Verified Flair
Yes
Total Karma
4,964
Link Karma
4,097
Comment Karma
392
Profile updated: 4 days ago
Posts updated: 1 month ago

Subreddit

Post Details

We try to extract some basic information from the post title. This is not always successful or accurate, please use your best judgement and compare these values to the post title and body for confirmation.
Posted
1 year ago