At least for old folks like us, there seems to be a wide gap between you don’t talk about that and we are only here for the sex. We have lots of vanilla friends we are close to but not that kind of close. It is clear that that is way out of their comfort zone. There are many commonalities with these friends. Most align politically, sociology economically, in education level and age. It seems that friends that include sexuality it is only about the sex, shared kinks or simply a willingness. I would love to find friends for my wife and me who are open minded but not single minded. How does that happen? It did a bit when we were younger and everyone was hornier and likely to fall into a wild night. Any ideas?