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PSA: Demonic Embrace is bad, don't build it
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Having seen people in this sub don't seem to know the champ, here's the calcs for demonic embrace vs titanic in practice tool.

(All calcs are with complete 0 damage runes, no bonus health from runes, doing Q-W-AA-AA-E-AA-R-AA)

Against basic dummy:

No items - 1234 damage

Demonic Embrace - 1603

DE Ruby Crystal - 1622

Titanic Hydra - 1564

Hydra Ruby Crystal - 1597

Against a dummy with ADC-like stats (2000 HP, 50 resists)

No items - 956

DE Ruby Crystal - 1310

DE Full Build (no damage items, full utility tank) - 1426

Hydra Ruby Crystal - 1198

Hydra Full Build (same set) - 1396

These look like demonic are winning, right? Except that as soon as you weave one extra auto in, Hydra comes out way ahead. And it scales better with your max health, so if you're running things like overgrowth then it gets even better. Demonic wins in two situations:

  1. Enemy team is full of healthstackers, in which case you're better off building to peel carries anyway.
  2. Right after you finish the item, DE is a tiny bit better.
  3. If you build Jak'sho you can trigger Demonic off the proc which is worth noting.

So if you want to do damage and burst squishies, which is your job as a combo-based champ, you're better off with Titanic in most situations. And this is before we talk about how much it helps with waveclear, or how well it can synergise with Heartsteel, Deadmans, etc, or just not having 100% of your damage be behind a cooldown.

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