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R4R is back! Please read on for rule updates, new features, and more information; feedback is welcome [Meta]
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TL;DR: The new team is keeping the rules and posting requirements mostly the same as they've been, with changes mostly focused on reducing spam and making the community easier to use. Important parts are in bold, and please leave your feedback in the comments or by messaging the mods.

Please read over at least the rules in the sidebar, and consider reading the updates and future plans below as well. None of the following changes are set in stone (except those necessary to follow Reddit's policies); so if you disagree with something, or see anything that can be improved, please bring it up in the comments section or by messaging the mods. Your feedback is greatly appreciated, and will be taken into account as we move forward.

Rule changes effective immediately:

  • Posts must now be accurately tagged as either SFW (Strictly clean, meaning no adult activities or explicit content or language) or NSFW (anything with adult content), via flair selection when posting. Please make sure to select the appropriate option when posting. This is being done to comply with Reddit's site-wide policies, and to ensure content is appropriately tagged, so that readers can filter out content they don't want to be exposed to. You can select whether or not to see NSFW posts in your Reddit settings.
  • We are strictly prohibiting any mention of activities that break Rule 3; there is no need to ask commercial scammers not to spam you, they will not read your post, and doing so runs the risk of setting off our bot detection. If you trigger the spam filter and get auto-banned, you need to reply to the ban message to appeal.
  • The preexisting no-contact-info rule will be strictly enforced; violations will be removed with a warning. Attempting to circumvent the automated enforcement, including by trying to obscure your contact info, will result in a ban.

Other new changes:

  • Posts are now flaired by R4R tag and location. To ensure your post is properly tagged, be sure to follow the exact format specified in the rules. If you open our community from a desktop web browser, you can even search all posts by state, region, or country using the top menu. Sadly, the loss of most 3rd-party apps has severely hampered usability of this feature on mobile; Reddit's official app only supports tapping a post's flair to find others like it. For more advanced search, we recommend you bust out your laptop. Note that posts made before the closure aren't included in the results, so they may be a bit sparse for a while.
  • We now use very aggressive AI-based anti-spam measures; these are extremely effective, but do occasionally misfire. If you are banned by our bot detection, don't panic, just reply to the ban message as instructed. Humans caught up by mistake will be unbanned when they appeal.
  • Crowd Control is now turned down; if your posts weren't showing up before the closure, and you weren't subscribed, this was probably the cause. Not everyone uses the subscribe function on Reddit, so we do not believe that hitting this easy-to-miss button should be mandatory to post here. Nevertheless, subscribing to the community may help to reduce the odds your post gets stuck in the spam filter.
  • We do not plan to enforce the previous ban against content creators using R4R for strictly non-commercial purposes, e.g., legitimately chatting or meeting people without expecting to gain subscribers. Anyone banned for this in the past may now appeal those bans by messaging the mods. If people can play nice, we won't have to reintroduce this rule. We're asking folks to keep a close eye out; anyone asking for money or subscribers should be reported to the mods. If content creators start using this space to advertise, we absolutely will ban them again; so please, don't ruin it for everyone.

Proposed future changes:

The following changes are proposed, and are up for debate. Let us know what you think in the comments below. If there are no objections, we plan to introduce these changes over the coming weeks.

  • Posts will soon be required to include either a #Location tag, or #Online for online-only activities. One of the most difficult parts of using R4R for meetups has always been finding someone actually nearby, and this is frustrated by the volumes of posts seeking someone local that don't actually include a location, or put a whole continent as a location. Conversely, people seeking online conversations have trouble sorting out those posts seeking only meetups. With location (or online) being always specified, all posts will become searchable by flair.
  • We will also be requiring posts to specify, in the title, what activity they are seeking. This will be done to ensure people can quickly skim thru post titles to locate others with similar interests to them.
  • We plan to reduce or eliminate the account age and karma restrictions required to post here. These requirements hinder legitimate users far more than they obstruct bots and scammers; the latter can readily create and karma-farm accounts using fully automated bots on a massive scale, while real people have to put in actual effort to post. Our new AI spam filter renders these requirements obsolete.
  • Unless there is an objection to doing so, we plan to eventually stop locking posts by default, thus allowing comment replies. Users who do not wish to receive comments should include the !lock command in their posts. Comments will be aggressively filtered for spam, and we will not allow discussions to take place on non-meta posts. The reason for doing this is to permit posters to choose whether they wish to allow these types of responses or not; some people prefer using comments to reach out, particularly new accounts which cannot send chat invites.
    If a majority of people do prefer the comment locking, we may instead introduce an !unlock command while keeping the default setting of locking posts.

Some final notes

A few people have reached out to ask why the community was closed. We unfortunately do not know the exact reason, but if you've been following what's going on with Reddit as a whole, you'll know that Reddit has "purged" many other communities' mod teams in the same way, and many more had their teams quit and leave the site in protest of the changes. A particular focus was placed on banning communities which did not properly tag their content; which feels just a bit ridiculous to me, considering Reddit lacks even the most basic functionality, like making SFW/NSFW content tagging mandatory so that users don't simply forget. We had to implement this feature ourselves, via post flair and a custom bot.

Irrespective of Reddit's drama and problems, we do want to keep this community going, for all those out there who have been with us over the past 13 years. We intend to keep this an inclusive and functional space for all, to find whatever it is you are seeking out there. Please leave your thoughts and suggestions in the comments, if you wish. Any updates/changes to these plans will be noted here in edits. We can't promise we'll be able to please 100% of everyone, but we will certainly try our best to do so.

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Moderators cannot ban users for reporting posts, or even see who reported a post; that is all handled by the Reddit admins. As noted in this announcement, we are having issues with people falsely reporting posts, abusing the reporting feature in an attempt to get other peoples' posts taken down.

In cases where a post is reported for a rule it definitively does not violate, we do forward these cases to the admins for investigation. If the admins then decide the report is abusive, for example if the false reporting was done multiple times to the same user, or across several users or communities, they may elect to warn or suspend the offending account.

Your past comments will always be visible in your profile history. We still have Reddit's Crowd Control feature enabled here for comments, to prevent spam, trolling, etc. We do approve filtered comments if they are relevant to the discussion, and a vague insinuation that "someone somewhere maybe said something negative" did not meet that threshold until you provided further context. Your comments should now be unfiltered.

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I do agree that it is an annoying hack, and we would like to do something better here, but Reddit's app severely limits what we can do to improve this. Do note that the SFW/NSFW flair is only visible on the post selection screen; once you actually post, that text gets replaced with the location flair.

The NSFW option is intended to mean simply that you either seek adult activities in your post, or may want to discuss such activities with people you're talking to. Reddit doesn't seem to consider simple swearing to be NSFW in most cases, so neither will we; though our filters are currently a bit oversensitive in this, which is something we're still working to fix. A TW flair, which turns on "spoiler" tagging, is also available to mark posts as discussing even more "extreme" activities, though we currently leave this mostly up to users to select this or not.

We need to do this all to ensure content is appropriately tagged, so that people do not get unexpected explicit content when opening a post or messaging a user, and to ensure the community is not banned or restricted as the Content Policy obligates us to do this. There are a number of regional R4Rs we are aware of that have lost the ability to accept SFW posts at all due to failing to appropriately tag NSFW ones. One of the speculated reasons this community was banned was due to setting everything as NSFW in protest.

The simplest way to do this would be to make the SFW/NSFW tagging option mandatory. But Reddit does not have that option, so most people forget to tag their posts. We did try to set it automatically via word filters and even AI in some of our other communities, but it had the unintended consequence of incorrectly tagging a lot of peoples' posts as NSFW, which led to those people getting NSFW responses they did not want.

We'd like to add more descriptive text in the flair or in the Posting Guidelines, but Reddit allows very little text in flairs, and does not display the post guidelines to the vast majority of users. The only space we really have to explain this is the community rules, and we try to be as clear there as space permits; there's of course a 500 character limit.

Two of our automation developers are in Reddit's Devvit beta platform, and are keeping a close eye on this feature, hoping this might someday grant us more flexibility in how we accept posts and tag content. We have already submitted several feature requests to this end.

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Yeah, I could swear it said Subscribe; and indeed, they changed it back in 2019, which feels like so recently somehow.

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They keep moving everything around in the apps, but it's usually near the top menu, and named Join or Subscribe or something similar. Wouldn't surprise me tho if it were buried in a menu or something in some versions of the app.

It should no longer be strictly necessary to subscribe to actually post here, we've now turned down that setting, but is still a good idea so you can receive new posts on your home feed.

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Hello, fellow Old Reddit user! Yes, we're still working on getting the layout and sidebar properly fixed (there's some issues with the new post flair and menu conflicting with the CSS, among other things), but I've added a link to the rules page in the interim.

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We still permit both NSFW and SFW posts, the change is simply that we require posts to be tagged as one or the other, so that people can filter content according to their preferences. This has always been a rule of Reddit, but we enforce it more strictly now, as Reddit did recently ban the community likely for not enforcing this rule.

If there's any wording anywhere that's unclear or that is suggesting otherwise, we'd like to correct it.

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Thanks for the support!

We do try to make our new search options prominent where we can; on the desktop version of the site, there's a whole top menu dedicated to searching by location. Reddit's terrible app unfortunately does not support this, so only about 10% of users can even see or use it, and there's not really anything we can do about that. App users can tap on flairs to filter to other posts with the same tag and location for some limited search functionality.

We are exploring options to add advanced search functions via Reddit's Devvit platform, though we aren't sure when or if it will support the features necessary to do so. We already have a fully-functional prototype running on the old API, that can filter by age, tag, distance, and interests; but Reddit no longer allows non-commercial use of their "data" API, so we can never release it.

As for the frequency limit, we don't have any plans to change it. We'd want to ensure there's broad consensus before making such a major change, as I feel like a lot of people probably really wouldn't like suddenly having to wait longer between posts, even if it might make things less-spammy in the long run. One person even felt so strongly it should be decreased (to 12 hours), that they took the time to make three sockpuppets to advocate for that position. If anyone else has thoughts on this, though, feel free to chime in.

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Yes, in fact, we do.

Refer to the table in the linked image. Objective facts, such as multiple posts being reported at the same time for content they objectively do not contain, are not a matter of debate.

It is clear to me you have no intent in arguing these points in good faith, so I will no longer be entertaining this discussion.

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Multiple people breaking the Rules of Reddit and facing consequences for it from the Reddit Admins is not something we can help with as Community Moderators. If you have a problem with admin actions taken against your account, please take it up with the admins. If you want us to look into what happened on our end, you need to actually tell us which of the 17 escalated reports were yours, and why you made them. Otherwise, there really is nothing we can do.

For transparency's sake, I will make available all the information on how we handle reports here. Here is an anonymized dump of all the information we track about report abuse in the community, including a commentated log of all 17 instances of report abuse we've escalated, plus the six we did not. Note the obvious pattern here, posts reported for rules that they clearly do not break, generally result in some kind of action being taken by the admins. The tools are functioning as intended on our end, as these charts show. Where's your evidence?

If you don't want to be suspended for report abuse, don't abuse the report button by submitting false reports, it's really that simple. Absent any actual evidence of wrong-doing, I will now be considering this matter closed, and I will not be addressing any further baseless accusations.

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There are no longer any hard limits on age/karma, though we've left Reddit's Crowd Control feature on, at a lower sensitivity level than before, while we work on fixing some issues that have cropped up with our spam-filtering bot. We expect to either further turn Crowd Control down, or turn it off, once our filtering is performing satisfactorily.

In the meantime, we will approve posts on a case by case basis if they are caught by Crowd Control or another spam filter; message the mods if your post gets spam-filtered, and we'll look into it.

We are also be trialing Reddit's new "Contributor Quality Score" feature, though we will be testing its performance in the background before actually using it to filter posts. Our initial impressions haven't been that promising though, so we don't currently expect to actually enable this.

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As I requested of the other three people who received warnings for report abuse, please write into the mods with more details and we will look into this.

To prevent this from becoming a witch-hunt, we are no longer going to be allowing additional comments regarding Reddit admin actions for report abuse until at least one person writes in with evidence that these reports were, in fact, not abusive. If you have such evidence, we can have that discussion, but piling on with wild accusations, when nobody making these claims is willing to tell us what they reported and why, is clearly no longer productive.

Here is a discussion thread with some more details on how Reddit's reporting system works. It is not possible for moderators to exploit this system in the way you describe, because we cannot see any details whatsoever about reports, other than what reporting option was selected. Actions taken for report abuse are handled entirely by the Reddit admins; we file our own reports when we see suspected report abuse (e.g., a post reported for a rule it clearly does not violate), but it is the admins' decision as to what, if any, action is taken.

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Noting here that is has been over two full days, and we have still not received any modmail follow-up on these reports to prove the case that they were legitimate, nor have we heard from any of the other three people who have come here to say that they were suspended for report abuse.

As a reminder to all, and as we are still seeing a lot of this: Abusing the Report function to report posts that do not violate the rules, such as posts from people who rejected you or people you don't like, will result in the suspension of your Reddit account. The Report option is not a "super downvote", nor a way to retaliate against others, and must not be used as such.

One thing that has become increasingly evident, is that a number of people did appear to have figured out how to game the Automod into removing other peoples' posts at their whim, and are now facing the consequences of those illicit actions. This type of behavior might have been allowed to slide in the past, but it will not fly here today.

Can you please message the mods with more details on what user you're reporting and what rule(s) are being violated?

If no action is being taken, it is because we were not able to determine why the posts were being reported. In any case where this happens, please make sure you are writing in to provide more context.

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No issues have been brought to our attention, nor can I find any recent discussions via search. If you have any specific concerns, please let us know, and we'll do our best to address them.

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We have made this optional now, largely for this reason. It had been turned on several weeks ago as spam-control measure, but did not prove very useful for that purpose.

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We don't plan to, unless there'd be some very strong reason to do so; the limit has been 24 hours for over 7 years, and we don't see a compelling reason to change that now.

Most other R4R/personals communities appear to have the same 24-hour rule, and most people seem to post once a day around the same time. 12 hours is a somewhat awkward interval, and we already have a very high post volume that a shorter limit would increase even further; many other communities have actually gone with a 3 or 7-day limit to slow that down, though we don't plan on doing that here either.

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I guarantee you that 90% of all comments will be "DM me", and the other 10% won't be worth reading.

If we do this, we will have a minimum length/effort requirement, with Automod rejecting any short or pointless comments. Discussion type replies will also be removed (except on meta posts). We do feel it should be the choice of the OP whether to allow comments or not, the main question is whether the majority prefer the default to be locked or unlocked, with the OP being able to override it either way. We might do a poll or something if we don't get enough responses advocating for one way or the other. So if anyone agrees or disagrees, speak your mind.

I think it's less about that, and more the fact that the mods were very explicitly marking everything as NSFW as direct opposition to the Reddit admins.

In this case, yes, it was clearly deliberate. Though we have also seen communities being restricted or banned for this, even when the action was not an intentional protest. Even many communities that were always private received at least warnings from the admins demanding them to open up, the whole thing was extremely heavy-handed.

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We do plan to keep the requirements as minimal as possible, while ensuring posts within the community are readily useful to those reading them. Less requirements are indeed easier to keep track of, especially when using multiple communities, and we try to keep the rules as few and concise as we can make them. Our bot is also a lot more sophisticated than Automod, and, once it's fully set up, it can much better guide users towards what specific corrections need made, even if they never read the rules at all.

The changes we are planning to implement should not impact the majority of posters, and when they do, they will be easy to adapt to. For example, those not wanting to meet anyone in person would just need to add the #Online tag to their post titles, to mark that down as their choice. We're also asking that post titles be more easily browse-able, and actually specify what one is seeking. There are countless thousands of different activities and topics people seek here, and spending an extra 15 seconds to say which one you're looking for will be well worth it to those browsing; and there are far more people here browsing than there are posting. But, we haven't enabled this here yet mostly because we do want to ensure those who don't have any specific goal in mind will still be able to post just as easily as they always have. We do want to find the correct balance here.

We also plan to relax some requirements to give people more freedom in how they use the community. Comment locking being made optional, for one, and we're also planning to permit a looser title format, so that posts won't get removed for simply using different brackets or putting things in a slightly different order. There are thousands of other R4R/personals communities on Reddit, many of which require a somewhat different format, and being more lenient with this will make it easier for folks coming from other communities to make a post here.

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If your account itself is flagged as NSFW, your posts will default to NSFW, and you may have to un-tag that option after posting. If this fails, please do write into modmail with what post it is happening to, and we'll take a look and see what's going wrong.

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