Hello. I am asking a specific question and am not stirring or whatever. For my education.

Note I don’t try to answer my own question - and I’ll probably just see what you say rather than get into a to and fro.

This is a public facing account not an alt.

I do research on restraint in MH. Hospitals use concepts like necessity, proportionality, etc and at the end of the day the clinician decides on the spot about searches, use of force, subject to later reviews.

Nurses would get some case based training, vignettes, on the job supervision, debrief. Some one who is heavy handed probably gets their body camera checked, might get suspended, review of health, performance, conduct. But there is variation because people are people.

I see this weekend that The Times’ Crime correspondent gives an account of his own stop and search with reference to PACE. He describes himself as Black IC3 in London and he gets stopped dozens of times. He balances his dozens of stop and searches, and the hassle and embarrassment, against the harms of knife crime. It’s balanced and worth a read though I must say I get that paper for the crosswords usually.

The police test for stop and search is outlined there as officers as having “reasonable grounds” for suspecting they will find “stolen or prohibited articles”. How is that calibrated? Do you get asked to justify them to bosses? Do you get taught case law on reasonableness? Or is it left to your judgement? What’s the crack, generally speaking?

Like I say just asking. I work with cops on diversion sometimes. Cheers and keep up the good work.