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I found out one of my closest friends was orbiting because he knew about my NM and thought I was "easy".
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NitrogenPisces is in New Mexico
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I know it's an occupational hazard of NM/poly folks - and an occupational hazard of being a woman with guy friends regardless of being mono or NM. But it's the first time I've ever had a male friend act this entitled to my face and act like (as much I hate how overused this term is) an incel, and I'm feeling pretty gross about it.

I was friends with this guy, Red, for about a year when we both fell into the same friend group and everyone really clicked. I'm also close with another friend from this circle, Blue, who is poly, and we have enthusiastically slept together a few times but agreed not to share this with our mutual friends.

Since Red and I live in the same city, we started hanging out more often. We have similar struggles with our mental health which we often discussed. I sometimes brought up issues I was having with NM relationships because it intersected with my mental health issues - I also optimistically assumed that since we are all in our late 20's/early 30's, that we were too old for games, so I talked to Red as a friend because I trusted him, not for some "girl cries to a guy about another guy" bit. He is the only person I told about my relationship with Blue (which I did before we agreed to not tell anyone, and I did it because I was feeling very anxious and vulnerable at the time).

This month, the friend group met up at a festival and had a little celebration to mark a year since our posse formed. Me and Red decided to travel together since we'd be flying in and out of the same airport. At various points during the weekend he did me some solid favors like making sure I got invited to after-parties, getting me merch, and ordering us food. There were some weird things I didn't notice until hindsight, like Red constantly asking me for details of where I was going/what I was doing all weekend and with whom. I didn't realize at the time he was making me uncomfortable so I just chalked it up to me being cranky from the travelling and gave him straightforward answers without promising anything.

When we got home, Red decided to join me in the taxi from the airport "just to make sure you get home safe and then I'll go home from there" despite my home actually being out of the way for him. My partner greeted me when I got in and before Red left, I apologized to him for being moody and blunt over the weekend. This is when his mask slipped because he said "Well actually, we should talk later " and claimed to be "concerned" about how I was acting because I didn't make more time for him or be nicer in light of the favours he did for me. It set off about a hundred red flags at once and I immediately noticed he was pulling out the typical "nice guy" playbook and using fake therapy speak to make himself sound more rational. My partner also picked up on it and told him to leave. When I looked at my PayPal later I noticed Red sent me money for the cost of the taxi.

I asked both my partner and Blue for their perspective, and they both eerily said the same thing: they felt like Red dismissed them in social settings and only seemed to acknowledge me and acted cagey and dismissive to others, especially them and other men generally. Luckily Blue isn't upset that I confided in Red about us, because I did it in good faith as a friend before we decided to be more low-key. But, I still feel uncomfortable that someone I trusted and cared about used that knowledge to his advantage.

I don't really know what to do, just kind of venting ahd looking for emotional support or gentle advice. I'm not under any illusions about how guys can be, but I thought people our age were old enough to know better.

TLDR: I confided in a close friend about some of my mental health issues, including challenges I dealt with in non-monogamy. This friend became one of my challenges because he pulled out "nice guy" logic and assumed he was entitled to get with me. Both my partner and my best guy friend (sometimes with benefits) say they noticed the signs and I kinda wish they'd warned me earlier. I just feel shitty now.

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That's gross, I'm sorry you dealt with that.

Seems like those outside the NM or kink communities just assume that anyone who does those things must be down for anything with no boundaries. Any sense of how to treat people with dignity just goes out the window. 

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I'm close with all 3 of them but I don't think they're necessarily close with each other. (For one thing, Blue and my partner have only met through online.) I also have very little interest in continuing friendship with Red at this point anyway. I have told others in our gang about what happened but avoided naming names. I really hope he can learn something from this and stop acting this way but I don't have the energy to "fix" others. 

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Generally speaking, being nice is sort of just a thing you do out of basic human decency and if someone doesn't want to be in a relationship with you, you suck it up and accept the reality of the situation. 

Ask them on a date.

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I try to take a "kind but firm" approach although I will admit I can be obstinate. I am very much of the school of thought that being nice isn't flirting. I try to be kind and show affection to my friends (within the parameters of their consent) but I also state my boundaries up front. If I notice outright flirting from someone I'm not interested in and it's not clearly a joke I will either deflect or it say no, and if someone still cannot divorce being nice from romantic intent then I change how I interact with them. This is the first time a guy friend has done the "y u no date me :(" thing blatantly to me so maybe I need to rethink some things?

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I'm nice to pretty much everyone. I dint get mad that being nice doesn't get me sex with everyone I was nice too.

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It's really hard, yeah. I want to be friends with some of my guys but I don't want to give them the wrong idea or enable any ulterior motives. 

It's also extra hard when you grew up as "one of the guys" and had to form male friendships for survival because girls your age didn't accept you. Really didn't think all these childhood & high school social dynamics would haunt me into my 30s but here we are. 

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FWIW I'm glad you grew and avoided being that person! I can see how it's all to easy to get into that kind of pitfall.

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The way his behaviour added up made me think he was being transactional about things: doing me favors which I believed at the time was just as a friend, trying to maintain my attention by asking me a lot of questions, ignoring other men when I was around them (particularly men he was aware I had relationships with), following me home when it wasn't necessary and then concern trolling when I didn't act in a way he wanted. The taxi fare thing adds up in that equation, IMO. 

It's possible that I misunderstood, but if he didn't feel entitled to sex or a relationship, he did at least feel entitled to more of my time or attention, and used the same intent and tactics as a "nice guy" anyway. 

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