Update:
We had a long talk last week about what heās been working on in therapy since last November. And apparently itās been him coming to terms with the fact that he wants to open the relationship or change the rule set so that if (read: when) he fools around again, that it wonāt be world ending to our relationship.
I told him that because heās not giving me an option on his interaction with other people, that this feels like an ultimatum. He still maintains that this is just a conversation. It doesnāt feel like one. Heās spent all this time coming to terms with his feelings and thoughts and wanting everything to be just fine regardless that it really doesnāt feel like heās considered me fully (or ethically) in this scenario.
This still comes across as nothing but selfishness, and isnāt presenting this in a way that would be good for our relationship. Just that heās going to fool around with random people and he wants me to be ok with it.
Advice on talking points to help him see whatās going on here?
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Last August, my husband came home after 4 months in Europe. During that time he had two long tours and about 6 weeks off in between. I visited for 2.5 of those weeks.
During that time, he was acting strange, I was having a hard time feeling connected with him while we traveled and he basically was the definition of narcissist. He wouldnāt post me on his Instagram or socials and claimed it was because he was trying to ābuild his brandā as a musician. Okā¦ but this was his personal account, not his professional account. He said he doesnāt use that because his personal account blew up and itās pointless to try and get people to switch. š¤¦š»āāļø
So, I go back home after our vacation. Now he has a month to travel alone and meet up with people heās met from the first tour. All of them women, and most of the time they hosted him at their houses. Now, we never talked about this at all. We were not nor had we ever discussed being poly or open before this. He says nothing happened. I have no proof otherwise, but it didnāt feel good.
During this time away, he became increasingly hard to get in touch with (unless he needed money or for me to book something for him) and he became shady with me.
At the end of the tour, he ended up having an extra day off before his flight, and said he would face time me while he packed. Well, he didnāt. He had an affair with a groupie, didnāt tell me about it and came home to have unprotected sex with me.
This has caused many fights after I discovered the truth. I found secret messages and him talking about meeting up with her again and discussing our relationship with her.
We are currently working through it, but now heās insisting we read āThe Ethical Slutā which Iām happy to do. He said heās felt ādifferentā since before the pandemic, and that he never knew how to talk to me about it.
My question is- can a long time married monogamous couple that had a heartbreaking affair become a successful open relationship? Anyone have any positive stories?
TLDR: long time monogamous couple, husband cheated and now wants open relationship. Is this possible or just him looking for reasons to keep cheating?
I strongly suggest you read this book by famed sex counselor Esther Perel, also Google her TED talk on infidelity, they might be very helpful to you right now
"The State Of Affairs: Rethinking Infidelity - a book for anyone who has ever loved"
She really delves into some of the reasons people cheat, it will give you some new perspectives, I guarantee it!
The 13 years needs to be considered "invested love" and should not cloud your future decisions. Moving forward your marriage will never be the same, should you and hubby choose to enter a "new" marriage agreement, your future starts then and only then, your old marriage is dead.
Please let me know what you think after you read it
I think she is awesome - check her out! Even if you split with your husband I think you might gain a better understanding of infidelity and its nuances
"Itās the respect part that Iām struggling with. He didnāt have any for me during that time."
So if before fucking this groupie, he had called you up and told you I want to fuck this groupie would that be the kind of respect you are looking for?
What course of action should he have taken to make you feel respected?
ENM may just be a fancy cover for saying "I want to have sex with other women"
If you have never shown any interest in NM, it would be a huge risk for him to bring it up. So yes he is a coward and was hoping to keep you and indulge his sexual side fantasies.
Long term mono to poly is tough to pull off
Do you think you want or would feel pressured to have sex with other men if you agreed to an ENM marriage? I know if might be to early to ask this question, till you work through the trauma
What would your reaction have been if he had proposed having sex with others before he did it?
Be honest with yourself, what would you have said?
Realistically he had the chance to have sex and he took it. It may not have been the first time. The underlying issue is sex with new people is exciting. It may be as simple as that.
That does not justify acting on the urge. It probably has nothing to do with your desirability
I am curious what your "wants" at this time are?
This would be poly under duress for you. Accommodating your partner so you do not lose them. If you have no sincere interest in being sexual with other partners, it does not seem like this is a good entry into NM.
What do you want? If you do not want an open relationship, I think you should consider divorce, since it seems clear that is what he wants.
edit: I think if your husband were committed to rebuilding your marriage, it is entirely possible it could succeed and even come out stronger. But it would be a new marriage, your old marriage is dead. You would need to both be committed to what your new marriage would look like. I think you will need a very competent marriage counselor to guide you through this process.
You are right, love had absolutely nothing to do with it. Men often do a lot of thinking "below the belt" and there is a lot of collateral damage!
So if a husband has prompted his wife to enter into a polyamorous marriage should he also tell the wife's parents?
Boy, I am trying to imagine that discussion!
One can have sex with other people and still love your wife/husband. Whether you are comfortable with this arrangement is the question.
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That makes total sense! Your feelings are completely to be expected.
Please read Esther Perel's book - "State of Affairs"
Seriously, it will help you right now