Okay so here's the deal in about a year or two I'll be upgrading to VMware enterprise plus. Till then I have developers who are demanding that they start playing with docker/containers. So with the realization I need PKS/VIC now. I'm hoping I can do something like sk8s (if there's a better option let me know) with their agreement it's only development, nothing production. And that when I get the licenses to upgrade, I can migrate/ their apps to pks/vic? Any suggestions here other then just to buy it now, which I can't afford till I get my new budget next year. And I guess part of the q is when I get VMware enterprise plus, will I still need a seperate manager, and will I be able to move from that to VMware containers easily.