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I am not Jewish, but I am a Zionist. I believe that Israel has the right to exist and that a safe haven for Jews must exist to ensure the Jewsâ survival. I believe that antisemitism is a plague and that the only solution to antisemitism is Zionism. I believe that Jews must be protected and that Israel, the Jewish state, must therefore be protected.
However, Zionism doesnât seem to be too popular on Reddit, and Iâve had a few heated debates with self-proclaimed âanti-Zionists.â Stranger yet, a few of the aforementioned âanti-Zionistsâ are Jewish. The thing is, I donât understand why some Jews oppose Zionism, as the purpose of Zionism is to protect Jews. Before I go any further, Iâm going to define a few terms. You are free to disagree with my definitions.
Zionism: The belief that Jews deserve the right to self-determination in their ancestral homeland, the Land of Israel. It is inherently a secular political ideology as it seeks to create a nation-state for the Jewish people so that Jews can flee persecution in the diaspora. Thus, one could simply define Zionism as âJewish nationalism.â
Anti-Zionism: Opposition to Zionism, the belief that Jews deserve the right to their own state in the Land of Israel. Anti-Zionists deny Jews the right to self-determination for many, often arbitrary, reasons. Anti-Zionists also frequently deny the Jewsâ strong historical and cultural connection to their ancestral homeland and the city of Jerusalem. Anti-Zionists may also deny or downplay persecution of Jews in order to prove why Jews do not deserve a state. For these reasons, many Jewish organizations argue that anti-Zionism is antisemitic, mostly because anti-Zionists believe that other peoples deserve their own state.
Antisemitism: Hatred of or prejudice towards Jewish people. It is often considered the oldest form of hatred due to the Jewsâ millennia-long history of persecution. It manifests itself in myriad forms and has led to countless expulsions, numerous pogroms, and, most infamously, the Holocaust.
Criticism of Israel: Criticism of Israeli politicians, the Israeli government, Israeli policies, etc. can all be considered criticism of Israel. Criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic, and many Jews in Israel are critical of their country.
Anti-Israelism: Opposition to Israelâs existence or Israel as a concept. Criticism of Israel becomes anti-Israelism when the critic unfairly holds Israel to a higher standard than other liberal Western democracies. Anti-Israelists may hold Israel to an impossible standard, arguing that Israel is bad because it is not perfect. Some anti-Israelists portray Israel as a uniquely evil state. Anti-Israelism is a form of anti-Zionism and is inherently antisemitic.
Now that I have defined my terms, it is time for me to present my argument:
I should begin by mentioning that anti-Zionist Jews are a token minority. 94 percent of Jews identify as Zionists, and 82 percent of American Jews consider Israel an âimportantâ or âessentialâ part of their Jewish identity. In other words, the vast majority of Jews are Zionists. Despite - or, perhaps, because of - this, anti-Zionist Jews are usually very vocal about their belief that Zionism is a form of racist colonialism or oppression, even though Jews by definition cannot colonize their ancestral homeland. Anti-Zionist Jews seem hellbent on making it seem like anti-Zionism is a popular belief among Jews, even though polling suggests otherwise.
I have noticed that there are two different types of anti-Zionist Jews, and, other than their opposition to Zionism, their views could not be more different. On the one hand, some Orthodox Jews oppose Zionism for theological reasons, as they believe that Jews cannot reclaim Israel until the Mashiach (Messiah) arrives. However, they are a minority within a minority. The vast majority of anti-Zionist Jews are self-proclaimed âprogressivesâ whose views often, ironically enough, align more closely with those of neo-Nazis and Islamists.
Jewish leftism is nothing new. For the most part, Jews have historically supported civil rights, and many Jews have been critical of capitalism. When it was founded, Israel was actually Soviet-aligned to an extent, though it eventually became a US ally. So, it seems only natural for Jews to support left-wing causes like anti-Zionism. The issue is, anti-Zionism is, if anything, regressive leftism, i.e. ostensibly left-wing ideas or policies that actually undo progress. The term âregressive leftismâ has also been applied to some policies regarding race, with some critics arguing that things like âsafe spacesâ for certain races are just forms of racial segregation. As mentioned previously, the goal of Zionism is to solve antisemitism. After seeing the millennia of continued hatred of Jews, many Jews figured that the only solution was to create their own state, a safe haven for all the worldâs Jewry. Opposition to Zionism, therefore, means maintaining the status quo, even if the status quo is antisemitism. Of course, now that Jews have a state, anti-Zionism now frequently includes calls to destroy Israel and her people by extension, i.e. a second Holocaust. In this way, anti-Zionism is regressive.
Now, why would any rational Jew support anti-Zionism? As mentioned, relatively few Jews do. However, for the Jews that do oppose Zionism, I believe that the main reason is privilege. Anti-Zionist Jews appear to overwhelmingly be American - which, considering the US has the largest Jewish population in the world, is not surprising, especially since >99 percent of Israeli Jews probably support Zionism. Unlike in other parts of the world, Jews have never really faced much legal discrimination in the US. Additionally, while most Jews who came to the US were impoverished, Jews today have the highest average wealth of any religious group in America. This is largely because Jews tend to be well-educated; Jews have the highest voter turnout of any religious group for the same reason. Most American Jews today have therefore lived alongside gentiles and thus probably donât think that antisemitism is still that huge of an issue. This mindset, however, is wrong.
In recent years, the number of antisemitic hate incidents has steadily increased. Even before the Oct. 7 massacre, more than half of all religious-based hate crimes were against Jews. Following the Hamas attack on Israel, the number of antisemitic incidents skyrocketed, and antisemitism became more and more explicit. In October, you mostly had innocuous-looking calls to âFree Palestine.â In April, you had protesters harassing Jews and preventing them from attending class. Now, Jews are getting stabbed in the streets. With each passing day, the world becomes more hostile to Jews. And yet, anti-Zionist Jews either donât seem to realize this or refuse to. Some outright say that the real antisemitism is assuming that all Jews support Israel (even though this is something that âanti-Zionistsâ frequently do). Some even say that Islamophobia is a greater issue or that the Palestinians are the real victims of antisemitism. Of course, both claims are ludicrous.
One thing I can say is that support for Zionism appears to be rising worldwide. As antisemitism becomes a fact of life once again in Europe, many Jews are packing their bags. Antisemitism has also become commonplace in South Africa, and most South African Jews have had enough. Israel has been anticipating a postwar wave of Jewish migration for months now, and itâs not hard to see why. As antisemitism becomes re-normalized, many Jews are realizing why Israel exists. Will the same happen to American Jews? Only time will tell.
Feels like you don't really have a handle on what progressives actually think. Or what secular means.
The vast majority of anti-Zionist Jews are self-proclaimed âprogressivesâ whose views often, ironically enough, align more closely with those of neo-Nazis and Islamists
Which views specifically. This is like saying vegetarianism is bad because Hitler supported it. What specifically about the progressive beliefs is wrong?
Now, why would any rational Jew support anti-Zionism? As mentioned, relatively few Jews do. However, for the Jews that do oppose Zionism, I believe that the main reason is privilege.
What specifically do anti-zionist jews believe that is erroneous? You're saying they are anti-zionist because they are privileged, but that isn't the same thing as pointing out flaws/holes in their arguments.
Some even say that Islamophobia is a greater issue or that the Palestinians are the real victims of antisemitism. Of course, both claims are ludicrous.
You're saying "this is what they believe, it's wrong" without saying why they argue that. "Of course" means your argument relies on assumption rather than logic.
I challenge you to delete this post, talk to an anti-zionist (Jewish, if they must be), and try to understand their POV.
Again, that's a moot argument. Just because there is no consensus on what specifically to do does not mean there's no commonality between what different parties want. There was no consensus about Israel when it was created, which points to an even weaker argument.
if YOU were a conscious hawaiian, you'd understand that the programs for natives are underfunded and often overridden. The majority of the land that was supposed to go back to native people hasn't been returned. The programs for native hawaiians don't stop 50% of the unhoused population of Hawaii from being native people.
You can claim it's apples and oranges, but if we're talking about a people who were actively displaced, whose claim to the land is more legitimate than the current owners, and whose people were at risk of disappearing entirely then there's no better comparison. Just because the queen surrendered doesn't mean there wasn't a long history of violence and occupation.
Every single Hawaiian agrees that the government is not doing enough to support the native population of Hawaii--so it doesn't matter what the final sovereignty answer is, there are multiple things that could/should be happening right now through the "help" you mentioned, things that aren't happening. Let's start there instead of interfering with UN investigations on behalf of a country that isn't even our only ally in the region.
There have been several genocides in the time between the holocaust and now. Genocides that targeted specific ethnic and religious minorities.
Why don't the Romani people have their own state? If it's important to make a place where a historically persecuted ethnic groups can feel safe, then it would make sense to also make sure they have a state too.
That isn't to say that because they don't, the idea itself is bad--but it does show the double standard that Israel represents.
So because it's not straightforward that means it shouldn't happen?
No efforts should be made to maintain the islands as much as possible, remove the military occupation, and make sure Hawaiians have basically all of the benefits in Hawaii that Jewish people have in Israel?
Like, a lot of people say "it's complicated" as if that puts an end to the conversation/argument. You wanna talk about not straightforward during a discussion about Israel, bro the Nakba was complicated, that just means there's an obvious double standard. Everyone disagrees about a lot of things, that's not an excuse to do nothing.
Countries that haven't fixed racism in their own land have the right to enforce a 1 sided 2-state solution and it's not fair.
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How about native hawaiians whose land was taken after Israel was created?