I'm not saying all pro-Palestinians are bad. I'm just challenging your claim they are all good.

Literally what claim? Quote me, send the link to the comment

Of this issue, yes. Your Hitler analogy is a strawman so I won't respond to it.

Saying David Duke and all protestors are on the same side is also a strawman, the bulk of your argument is a strawman.

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Again, the article you linked already disproved you

If only that were the case.

Sounds like I'm still right.

So again, if there is a student protestor who condemns hamas but is pro-palestinian, how do you decide what they actually believe? Because you gave me this link to prove that some student protestors are antisemitic, even though I never claimed that all people who are pro palestinian are all good.

Let me remind you of what I actually said

how/why is it that you inherently believe that anyone who is Pro-Palestinian is definitely an anti-semitic if everything they are saying is talking about saving lives and not about hurting Israelis?

"ANY" "ONE", the qualifer I gave was that everything they talked about was about saving lives, not that EVERY single student protestor is only ever talking about saving lives. This is why critical thinking is so important.

I'm just challenging your claim they are all good. Can we agree on that?

I will agree with you once you admit you misrepresented the things I said. Let me remind you

"Just because 1 thing is good, doesn't mean all things associated with them are good. Just because 1 thing is bad, doesn't mean all things associated with them are bad."

The source you posted points out that white supremacists openly say they support palestine for racism reasons, did you read the article? I feel like I quoted it for other people at this point.

Whether they support Palestine in the same manner as the students is not relevant

I think it IS the only thing that matters

Both Trump and Biden support Israel, does that mean Trump and Biden are on the same side? Hitler promoted vegetarianism, does this mean all vegetarians are bad? I challenge you to use critical thinking rather than assuming things. How do you explicitly understand where people's allegiances lie?

If you can only ever take the word of someone, how/why is it that you inherently believe that anyone who is Pro-Palestinian is definitely an anti-semitic if everything they are saying is talking about saving lives and not about hurting Israelis? Why wouldn't you believe student protestors are telling the truth as deeply as you believe nazis are telling the truth?

Just because 1 thing is good, doesn't mean all things associated with them are good. Just because 1 thing is bad, doesn't mean all things associated with them are bad.

The context matters more than glossing over the bulk of all the arguments being made and just pointing and saying "these are the sides".

I think the context of what OP is saying is that like the civil rights movements of the 1900s, history will forgive people who were ultimately at best disruptive like the student protestors.

Like, MLK jr also had the cops called on him in the US, nazis and far right trump supporters often are protected by the police. There's a huge bigotry problem in the US, time and time again we see the police called upon one side (people protesting Israel, racism, or anything considered left wing) and leaving people who genuinely believe hitler was right alone for the most part. Arguably, the neonazis are working as cops considering how many "proud boys" seem to have very close connections with most police departments. Like if the US was soooooooo concerned about nazis, why weren't the police arresting people at the "unite the right" rally who were shouting "jews will not replace us"? Sure, some arrests were made, but it's not like the police heard antisemitism and stepped in to immediately stop it.

If siding with Gaza is siding with Nazis, why is it that the actual nazis in the US aren't on their side? We really don't see a lot of stormfront pro palestine marches, but we often see black people who marched against police brutality standing behind arab people.

That's just not how bigotry works.

For example: If you're anti-pro-palestinian (aka against student protestors) you can't call them anti-semites because there are jewish people protesting with them, right? So in that case, you should be arguing that the police brutality is unwarranted.

But, you probably think there's bigotry within the protests, so you should probably figure out how to not contradict yourself.

By you, I don't mean okcrazy numbers I mean generally speaking

So then it doesn't make sense to say that the proudboys aren't racist because they are led by non-whites

You should look up what a "straw man argument" is and then stop doing that.

I did end up clarifying that I wasn't talking about you specifically, you did end up confirming my argument. Embarrassing for you.

Proud Boys have non-white members: this makes them not racist

Palestine protestors have jewish activists: that makes them not anti-semitic

You have to pick a lane: Either the proud boys having non-white members doesn't absolve them of racist or the palestine protestors aren't bigoted

In fact, in the latter, they eventually stepped in and ENDED the brutality against the protesters.

I made this point in another comment, it serves my argument when you point out that the police allow violence against protestors, but they never end up attacking actual self-proclaimed nazis

I have no interest in continuing a conversation with someone who willingly ignores this double standard. I won't be able to actually talk to someone who is unwilling to admit the logic they put forward isn't sound--because how can I talk to someone who doesn't care?

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On the contrary, I think people forget/forgive/ignore bigotry if the larger issues are more important.

Look at mahatma gandhi, first wave feminists in the US, even Biden himself championed some fairly racist legislation that many liberals are choosing to pardon.

I think 99% of student protests being on the right side of history still means that there's a rule even with exceptions.

Like yeah, there are racist students who will protest, but if we look at the context of what is being protested I think that's easier to understand rather than just saying "we have no clue if history will be on their side because nazi students protested a few times"

In their attempts to join Palestine solidarity protests and online campaigns, antisemitic White nationalists are trying to exploit the political and humanitarian crisis in Gaza to win recruits and further their political interests

Sounds like they aren't actually on their side.

But maybe you have some information that doesn't explicitly point out that these nazis actually support palestine in the same way these student protestors do? I'd love to get some more sources from you