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CMV: arguments that it's in Israel best interest to not kill Gazans so they don't radicalize them are objectively wrong
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I just can see things from their perspective

I am looking at actions and consequences rather than potentially introducing bias. I really don't care about what you personally think, I'm just addressing the pushback on this claim that Israel didn't have any choice about radicalization.

If their actions are radicalizing people, it doesn't matter if the radicalization isn't organized. They are still doing something cruel enough to radicalize someone into terrorism.

I believe I'm just pointing out that Israel is creating the conditions for people to become radicalized, that's why I noted "Palestinians didn't wake up and decide to be anti-semitic".

If their actions are radicalizing people, and they then go on to create conditions that are arguably genocide while they attempt to protect against radicalized people, then Israel ultimately worked to create this situation.

So that's why I'm pushing back on this claim. It's not about the best course for their country if they are putting their country in harms way to get to this point. If it's purposeful, it makes sense, but it's not moral. If it's not purposeful, then it doesn't make sense, and they are doing something wrong and should stop.

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I agree, but not for the reasons you want.

Their "restrained" actions did not prevent radicalization. You can't argue that Israel was restrained but also Hamas was significantly less effective and not a threat, because their actions should/could have prevented radicalization particularly during a time where Hamas wasn't effective

If the "kids gloves" are off because Israel wants to respond to a larger threat they did not really try to stop, despite both of us agreeing Israel had far more influence in the region than Hamas, then that can only imply Israel wanted some sort of excuse to perform the actions they do now.

Ultimately Israel wanted an excuse to perform genocide.

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So for the past 20 years, Israel's actions didn't in fact protect them from radicalized Palestinians.

You're saying that Palestinians can only impact Israel if they receive help, I'm saying Israel's actions in the past 20 years have actually done nothing to prevent the next attack or even prepare for it.

Israel had 20 years to resolve this problem and they didn't, even with trillions of dollars of aid and military assistance. You're arguing that Israel is preparing for the next attack but proving that Israel does not actually prepare anything.

This implies a lot, but I'm only addressing your claim that Israel only wants to prepare for the next attack. The logic you put forth isn't adding up.

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Arguably radicalization created Hamas

Palestinians didn't wake up and decide to be anti-semitic*, Israel has had a negative presence in Palestine for quite a while

*Hamas may be antisemitic, but disliking Israel is not inherently so

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