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u/nopingmywayout lists all the good things Biden has done for the US that have largely gone unnoticed
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I'd call that not wanting to write the same point over and over again.

The objection doesn't change - it's not a meaningful step towards solving the problem.

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Why are half the people saying any pull out would have done the same thing and the other half are blaming Trump for it?

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So, nothing meaningful happened? Really?

Within the context of a meaningful solution to the problem, no, nothing meaningful happened. The dent Biden has made will be surpassed in several years and we'll be right back where we started.

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I'm not going to pretend I have a solid answer to that question. That doesn't negate the fact that the pull out was a disaster and effectively undid all of the work we did over the last decade plus in Afghanistan.

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In other words, it is by far better than doing nothing about student loan debt.

In the most marginal sense of the term. It's doing nothing to stem the cause of the problem and it's not enough relief to actually overtake the rate at which the problem is growing.

I'm not going to pretend it's not good for the individual people it helps and I'm genuinely happy about that, but don't pretend like it's a meaningful fix to the actual problem itself when it's clearly not.

See my above points. Never let perfect be the enemy of good.

My point there was that the line itself was a lie by omission. Insulin is not capped at $65 for everybody, just for seniors. That's good, but the line gives the impression that that was for everyone by omitting the caveat that it's only for seniors.

It's not "too little too late," it's dishonest.

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many of your objections either seem to be quibbling about impacts rather than the actual statements

My broader point was that impacts are what matter and statements much less so. People are upset with Biden largely because there are lots of statements and not a lot of actual impact for many of them.

During the State of the Union, Biden used the bully pulpit very effectively: he pointed out that, "...some Republicans want Medicare and Social Security to sunset." This elicited boos from Republicans, to which Biden responded by basically saying, "Oh, so you don't want to cut Medicare or Social Security? All right. We got unanimity." (Scott has since dropped sunsetting Medicare and Social Security from his plan.)

Scott got backlash for that because Medicare and Social Security are the lifeblood of the Republican base. Republicans responded to what would have been a suicidal move by Scott. I won't deny that Biden said that but I think it's reaching to attribute Scott walking back his plan to that line.

Firstly, do you agree that student loan debt in the US is a problem? Isn’t forgiving debt that has been hamstringing millennials, many of whom have been making payments on loans for upwards of 15 years, a good thing to do? All you seem to be doing is letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Would it have been better if Biden just hadn’t forgiven any student loans?

Getting rid of debt is good, sure. The last information I saw about year by year growth of overall student debt was about $10 billion per year with a little under $2 trillion overall. $128 billion is good, I won't argue that it's not, but $128 billion is barely keeping ahead of new debt growth during his four year term.

That's not really solving the problem nor is it addressing the source of the problem.

I certainly agree that there need to be further reforms concerning the cost of higher education, but I think Biden deserves credit for his actions on this issue.

And I'm happy to give him credit for it. Just not very much considering the overall impact of the move is quite low in comparison to the problem.

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It was a move that was decided and planned under Trump.

What was forcing Biden to keep to that plan?

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What was forcing Biden to keep to that plan?

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I'm sorry but that's absolutely absurd.

The US has gone back on agreements routinely throughout history and other countries deal with it because they have to. Zero countries would care if the US went back on an agreement like that, especially if abiding by it was reckless which it was in this case.

I hate these. Mainly because they're generally predicated off of very, very specific metrics and because they're often used to just throw at people who have actual issues.

Ended the war in Afghanistan

Technically true but in an awful way that basically invited the Taliban back in.

Reduction of poverty levels by 45% along with reduction of child poverty levels by 61% by the first 6 months

Do we have anything to indicate that this was done specifically by Biden's policies or is this simply continuing policies that were already in place? I'm also confused because I've been repeatedly told that presidents don't have the power to impact things like poverty directly, so how was this accomplished in eight months?

5 Rounds of cancellation of student loan debt totaling almost $10 billion

Considering the student debt increases by about $10 billion per year, that's not really a meaningful step in solving the problem.

The unemployment rate dropped from 6.2% when Biden took office to 3.9%, the biggest single year drop in American history.

Was that because people were genuinely finding good jobs or because people were falling off the rolls? Also, is this due to something Biden actually did or is it the result of an economy starting to recover from COVID?

$62 billion worth of health care subsidies under the ACA (Obamacare), capping insulin at $35

For seniors.

Allows Medicare to negotiate 100 drugs over the next decade, and requires drug companies to rebate price increases higher than inflation

Does that translate to meaningfully lower drug prices for people?

Unemployment at 50 year low

Again, Biden or an economy that isn't suffering as badly from COVID?

Got republicans to publicly take Social Security and Medicare cuts off the table by tricking them during the State of the Union

I'm not even sure what this even means.

Rail companies grant paid sick days after administration pressure in win for unions. Most people will only remember that he forced rail workers to go back to work in December 2022, even now that will be the top answer if you google "Biden Railworker Deal". But most people do not know that the Biden administration continued to pressure the rail corporations and work with the unions so that in June 2023, the corporations capitulated and gave the rail workers what they wanted. Biden knows how to work politics and knows that the real work isn't done with the cameras on you for a soundbite, but in the background where people can debate without a fickle public watching every move.

I looked for proof of the italicized part and was not able to find it.

Post-pandemic recover still leading the world by far

Not really sure where this is coming from because the data I found suggests that no, we're not the best.

Plan to modernize American ports

Plans are meaningless. I don't care what someone "plans" to do.

Violent crime drop significantly since 2020

Again, because of something Biden actually did or because of other factors?


I'm fine with crediting leaders when they actually do things but a lot of this is very thin and it's a lot of pointing to charts which often gets substituted for people's actual problems.

GDP is up, cool, but rent is still sky high and food prices are high. GDP is not meaningful to people who are trying to survive.

EDIT: Nasty PMs. Classy.

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