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there are 3 people in this quote, Jasnah, the sister to the main king (scientist/scholer, atheist), Shallan, her student, and the King of the area they are visiting.
âAtheism is not a disease, Your Majesty,â Jasnah said dryly. âItâs not as if Iâve caught a foot rash.â
âOf course not, of course not. ButâŚer, isnât it difficult, having nothing in which to believe?â
Shallan leaned forward, still sketching, but keeping her attention on the conversation. Shallan had assumed that training under a heretic would be a little more exciting. She and Kabsalâthe witty ardent whom sheâd met on her first day in Kharbranthâhad chatted several times now about Jasnahâs faith. However, around Jasnah herself, the topic almost never came up. When it did, Jasnah usually changed it. Today, however, she did not.
Perhaps she sensed the sincerity in the kingâs question. âI wouldnât say that I have nothing to believe in, Your Majesty. Actually, I have much to believe in. My brother and my uncle, my own abilities. The things I was taught by my parents.â
âBut, what is right and wrong, youâveâŚWell, youâve discarded that.â
âJust because I do not accept the teachings of the devotaries does not mean Iâve discarded a belief in right and wrong.â
âBut the Almighty determines what is right!â
âMust someone, some unseen thing, declare what is right for it to be right? I believe that my own moralityâwhich answers only to my heartâis more sure and true than the morality of those who do right only because they fear retribution.â
âBut that is the soul of law,â the king said, sounding confused. âIf there is no punishment, there can be only chaos.â
âIf there were no law, some men would do as they wish, yes,â Jasnah said. âBut isnât it remarkable that, given the chance for personal gain at the cost of others, so many people choose what is right?â
âBecause they fear the Almighty.â
âNo,â Jasnah said. âI think something innate in us understands that seeking the good of society is usually for the individual as well. Humankind is noble, when we give it the chance to be. That nobility is something that exists independent of any godâs decree.â
âI just donât see how anything could be outside Godâs decrees.â The king shook his head, bemused. âBrightness Jasnah, I donât mean to argue, but isnât the very definition of the Almighty that all things exist because of him?â
âIf you add one and one, that makes two, does it not?â
âWell, yes.â
âNo god needs declare it so for it to be true,â Jasnah said. âSo, could we not say that mathematics exists outside the Almighty, independent of him?â
âPerhaps.â
âWell,â Jasnah said, âI simply claim that morality and human will are independent of him too.â
âIf you say that,â the king said, chuckling, âthen youâve removed all purpose for the Almightyâs existence!â
âIndeed.â The balcony fell silent. Jasnahâs sphere lamps cast a cool, even white light across them. For an uncomfortable moment, the only sound was the scratching of Shallanâs charcoal on her drawing pad. She worked with quick, scraping motions, disturbed by the things that Jasnah had said. They made her feel hollow inside. That was partly because the king, for all his affability, was not good at arguing. He was a dear man, but no match for Jasnah in a conversation.
âWell,â Taravangian said, âI must say that you make your points quite effectively. I donât accept them, though.â
âMy intention is not to convert, Your Majesty,â Jasnah said. âI am content keeping my beliefs to myself, something most of my colleagues in the devotaries have difficulty doing. Shallan, have you finished yet?â
Sanderson, Brandon (2010-08-31). The Way of Kings (The Stormlight Archive) (pp. 466-467). Tor Books. Kindle Edition.
then continues after the king leaves, between the scholar and her student
âAnd what arguments might such a one have made?â
âWell, Iâm not very well trained in that area myself. But I do think that you ignored, or at least minimized, one vital part of the discussion.â âWhich is?â Shallan tapped at her breast. âOur hearts, Brightness. I believe because I feel something, a closeness to the Almighty, a peace that comes when I live my faith.â
âThe mind is capable of projecting expected emotional responses.â
âBut didnât you yourself argue that the way we actâthe way we feel about right and wrongâwas a defining attribute of our humanity? You used our innate morality to prove your point. So how can you discard my feelings?â
âDiscard them? No. Regard them with skepticism? Perhaps. Your feelings, Shallanâhowever powerfulâare your own. Not mine. And what I feel is that spending my life trying to earn the favor of an unseen, unknown, and unknowable being who watches me from the sky is an exercise in sheer futility.â She pointed at Shallan with her pen. âBut your rhetorical method is improving. Weâll make a scholar of you yet.â
Sanderson, Brandon (2010-08-31). The Way of Kings (The Stormlight Archive) (p. 470). Tor Books. Kindle Edition.
Sry about the long post, but well worth it.
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