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Further to some interesting discussion elsewhere on this sub about who the valonqar might be, it is interesting to take a step back and look at just what the valonqar prophecy is, and what it might be meant to achieve.
- Cersei asks three questions and gets six answers
Maggy tells Cersei that âthree questions may you askâ, but that âyou will not like my answers.â Cersei then asks three questions. But she gets six answers.
For example, the first question Cersei asks is: "When will I wed the prince?" The answer is âneverâ. However, Maggy then takes it upon herself to answer a second, unvoiced question: âwho will I marry?â The answer is âthe king.â
Similarly, the second question Cersei asks is: "I will be queen, though?" The answer is: "Aye. Queen you shall be...â. But then Maggy goes on to answer the next unasked question, something like âhow long will I be queen?â The answer, of course, is: " . . . until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear."
The third question Cersei asks is: "Will the king and I have children?" Here, the answer is interesting. Cersei and the king she marries have no children together, but Cersei doesnât actually ask that question, so Maggyâs answer is correct given what was asked: "Oh, aye.â Maggy then answers the third unasked question: "how many children will we have?" Six-and-ten for him, and three for you."
2. The answers to the questions Cersei actually asks are straightforward and true on their face
âNeverâ, âAyeâ, âOh. Ayeâ or no, yes, yes.
3. But answers to the additional questions are not, at least not at first
The answers to the first and third additional questions only made sense in hindsight, but at the time Cersei was âpuzzledâ by the answer âthe kingâ, and the six-and-ten âmade no senseâ.
The second , the identify of the YMB, is still an open question. Consistent with the other two answers, though, it will presumably make sense in hindsight, and Cersei will not like it.
In giving these answers, Maggy gave the answers she wanted to give, notwithstanding the questions, and in a manner of her choosing.
4. The valonqar prophecy was not in answer to a question
"The old woman was not done with herâ, explains the text. Despite having answered all Cerseiâs questions, and some of her own, Maggy goes for an additional information dump:
"Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds," she said. "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
The âanswersâ to the questions Cersei asks are straightforward yes or nos, and the answers to the 'bonus' questions appear obvious in hindsight. But as far as we can tell (and that is a big rider), Maggy is not answering a question at all here. She is offering unsolicited information, some of which appears to be unrelated to the questions Cersei asked.
Maggy wanted Cersei to know this stuff and volunteered it. Why?
- The valonqar prophecy is at least partially metaphorical
Unlike the answers to the other questions, the valonqar prophecy clearly has metaphorical elements.
Certainly, âgold crownsâ could literally mean the children all take a turn wearing a gold crown, but it probably also means their gold hair. There is no way would Cersei have cloaked Joff in an actual gold shroud, so it presumably stands for something else, whether a kingly death (which is what Cersei thinks), or the fact they spend their lives âshroudedâ (hidden or veiled) under the Baratheon colours.
Similarly, Cersei is not going to literally drown in tears (unless she goes the way of George Clarence, and is drowned in a vat of wine called 'tears of Highgarden' or something). So it is not certain that she will *literally* be strangled either.
6. The valonqar may be less a prophecy than a curse
ASOIAF isnât Georgeâs first foray into prophecy.
And Seven Times Never Kill a Man [very mild spoilers] is an intense tale about an expansionist human culture coming into contact with a pacifist alien one, in circumstances where both societies are deeply religious. It has a lot of interesting parallels for ASoiaF, and especially for the children of the forest and the Weirwood, but it also suggests that, in Georgeâs mind at least, prophecy can be about not just predicting the future, but shaping it, by driving people toward doing certain things in the future, whether in an attempt to bring the prophecy about, or to avoid it. The story also involves a lesson about reinterpreting prophecies to fit facts as they emerge, sometimes several times, so you think it was obvious what it meant, even if it wasn't. Which is what we do while reading this stuff.
It got me thinking. Malara asks Maggy what her future holds, and particularly whether she will marry Jaime, and is effectively told no, she will shortly die. That turns out to be true. But it is asking what her future holds that leads to her death - likely, had she not asked, and hence had there been no prophecy about her death, she wouldnât have died. Probably. Granted, Cersei may have killed her anyway, to keep her fortune telling silent. Who knows. But if Malara had not visited Maggy, or heard her words, then chances are she would not be dead.
I will be surprised if it turns out any differently for Cersei.
7. What does this mean?
Most likely, whoever the valonqar is, and whatever their reasons for killing Cersei, it will tie back to actions that Cersei takes because of or as a result of her visit to Maggy, and her knowledge of the prophecy. We will be left to ponder whether Maggy merely saw the future, or shaped it.
(Edited because I stuffed a heading - Cersei got six answers, not three...)
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