Gay man = adult male homosexual.

Homosexual = Exclusively same SEX attracted.

These words have meanings, that are entirely objective and not subject to reinterpretation, and it is important that we reaffirm that. Sometimes I think some of y'all are so young that you do not remember society when it was actively far more homophobic, or the ideological basis of homophobia, and how affirming any other definition of these words reinforces the very basis of societal homophobia.

The very basis of homophobia is the idea that being homosexual is a "lifestyle choice" that we opted into, that homosexuality is unnatural (despite occurring all across the animal kingdom), and that the way to cure us of our homosexuality is to pressure and force us into a heterosexual lifestyle, including but not limited to having sex with women.

I understand the desire to be trans inclusive. Trans people are suffering from gender dysphoria, and any reminder of their biological sex is emotionally and mentally painful to them. If someone tells me that it makes them more comfortable to be referred to with the pronouns "he/him" and with a male name, and it is clear they genuinely are transitioning and not making a mockery of the process, of course I am going to call them what they ask. But unfortunately, the reality is that no matter how many cosmetic and external modifications that someone makes, it is not actually possible for someone who is female to actually become male.

Sexual orientation is not contingent upon gender identity, an idea in someone's head. We are not homosexual men because we are attracted to a "male social performance" that one opted to adopt. We are also not attracted to female bodies that have undergone plastic surgery to look male. We are attracted to men because they are of the male SEX and what that entails" the way men look, taste, smell, the common experiences we share with them, and sexual orientation is caused by chemical reactions in our bodies that we cannot control. If this were not so, we could easily be attracted to butch lesbians, some of whom absolutely can pass as male on sight. But we're not. Why is this? Yes, some of us are attracted to societally performed masculinity, but only when it is being "performed" by MALES. Not by females.

Telling gay men that in order to be "trans inclusive" we must go against our very natural sexual orientation to appease another person is homophobic. When you tell someone they are an evil bigot for refusing to have sex with a female who identifies as male, you are telling us that our sexual orientation is malleable, subject to change as the social climate changes, that we do not have the right to affirm our boundaries or define who we are according to the truth. On the contrary after centuries of homophobia and attempts to "fix" us and the latest iteration of that being done by people who are overwhelmingly feigning support for us, we must reaffirm who we are and our boundaries louder than ever.

If you are bisexual (attracted to both sexes) and want to be called gay, I cannot stop you, but I can tell you that you have NO right to tell actual gay men that we must include females in our sexual and dating pool or we are an evil bigot. It is NOT our responsibility to affirm other people by virtue of giving them sex. Absolutely not, no way in hell.

Let's affirm the truth, and get these conversion therapy posts off this forum once and for all.

Gay man = adult male homosexual.

Homosexual = Same sex attracted.