THIS IS NOT A CALL FOR HARRASMENT OR BULLYING!!! THIS TOPIC IS MERELY FOR DISCUSSION

I wanna start this by saying this isn't a troll or just to laugh at Myron's expense. As a bi dude myself, I've got nothing but love for my giant-purple-people-eater eating brethren. Seriously, if Myron is gay, I hope he feels safe enough and supported enough to come out at a time and in a way he chooses, if he wants to be out at all. Just like I do with anyone. But enough burying the lead. Let's get into it.

THE GIST So I catch a lot of Fresh and Fit through clips. I've listened to them a few times, but it's really hard to make it through. Fresh is just... well that's not the point. Myron's more viral moments seemed to indicate a general dismissiveness towards women, however the more I hear... the more I feel like Myron doesn't have much experience with women. I mean, given his past statements on not needing to live with a woman you're in a relationship with, not needing to please a woman, etc, I just thought he might be really bad with chicks. But seeing the clip of his main girl and hearing the condom and panties bit...I think he might be covering. Started as a joke in another thread, but I think I'm onto something. TL;DR, the more I hear him talk about women, the more it reminds me of what guys who haven't been with one THINK it's like. Feel free to stop here and respond, but I'll go into greater detail below.

*A WOMAN'S...uh...CLIMAX IS POINTLESS Yes, we're starting here, let's get it out of the way. I'm well aware that there are plenty of straight guys like this. In it to get in, simple as. Fun fact there are selfish m gay and bi dudes as well.

So why point it out? It's the way he talks about the sexual dynamic that feels off. Even straight guys who don't care about it will flex making a woman finish given the opportunity (especially if bragging or rubbing it in someone's face). Guys are so concerned about a woman's pleasure that we have anxiety about other men's size, stamina, skill, and for those select weird dudes, race. We HOPE the girl we like hasn't had better than us and get really insecure when we feel like they have.

But Myron treats the idea of sex with a woman, and any subsequent pleasure on her part, as gross. And any guy will tell you, the more your girl enjoys it, worse is not usually the direction that encounter is going to head. So why the seeming disdain fir female pleasure? It feels to the point where it makes him sound like he's recommending us to hit it dry.

Who knows, maybe he's cribbing Tate's view of being so suffuse with hoes the game has lost all meaning. Maybe Myron is just a douche. But let's dig deeper.

(Also, fellas, chill about the sex. You only get better if you get and give feedback. Don't take it personal. Most of us don't start great at sex. Take your time. Pick your partners wisely. Find what you like and people who like it too. I look like the world's shortest, cuddliest flight risk. If I can do it, so can you.)

A MAN'S LOVE IS REAL No doubt influenced by the Red Pill dogma talking points, Myron seems to believe that men love truly, idealistically, romantically, whereas women love guys materialistically. Not only does that conflict with his stated view that women are more nurturing, but it really sounds like someone who has never been in love with or loved by a woman.

Men and women do love differently, for reasons too large for this post, but men love differently from each other, as do women--could be culture, upbringing, past experiences, we approach relationships in our own ways. The heartbroken love song can be found in just about every single culture, even those with wildly divergent beliefs. A lot of them have dudes as the heartbreakee. That's how universal the idea of men and women loving each other is.

Sure, we can chalk that up to Alpha Male brain-rot, but it's curious that, to Myron, men pursue multiple women (and should) because it's their nature. Women are exploits. But when he talks about a man's love it's... actually kinda heartwarming. And to me sounds like someone who knows that yearning. And also someone who hasn't had a lot of hands-on time IN love. Love is messy and tough. Even when it's passionate and caring, it doesn't always work out. Maybe he just got burned bad in the past, but maybe he's in a different type of one-way love.

LIVIN' WITH THE HOMIES Kind of a short one and a bit of a blip... BUT... that's weird as fuck, right? Being with a girl, but like...offsite? Simply as an idea it's strange. It can't just be me that gets a weird vibe.

"Hey, bro, go get you the ultra rare loyal baddie and put that 10 up in style so she knows this lifestyle goes with you, not her. Get you that girl that cooks, cleans, and comes ready to do her womanly duties. But uh, just like check up on her from occasionally and let's be roomies full time, my guy."

Aside from the logistical pain of managing two households, what kind of woman would be up for that? I mean, isn't that the exact type of materialistic thot who cannot be trusted alone because she'll bounce from Alpha to Alpha anyway? Isn't that who they're telling guys to avoid? What straight guy--especially with Myron's views on women-- would think that's a good idea?

MYRON'S MAIN...OR MAID I know you're probably thinking, but Myron HAS a girl. Yes, and no gay man has ever been involved with a woman. Case closed.

But okay, really, why do I think she sounds like a beard? His recent statements are sus to say the least and, unless the context is entirely parody, they paint an unbelievable picture.

The clips in question (1) go over his main's treatment of all Myron's women on the side. How she finds their lashes around or how there's areas they can't go and have to wear these shirts declaring them as the hoes. And (2) how she picks up Myron's used condoms and his lovers' panties.

First off all, Jesus, if he's telling the truth, I hope Myron was picking up after sex previously. Imagine walking in to his place covered in spent rubbers and ladies' unmentionables.

But I have reasons to doubt these claims. And I know these are clips, but honestly, I'm scratching my head looking for context that would make this okay.

For one, I can count on no hands the amount of girlfriends who are going to be okay picking up after other women. Putting aside the fact that this woman would have no self-respect if true, that level of submission is creepy. Guys and gals like this are the type to worship you day to day and go Fatal Attraction/boiling the pet for dinner crazy when you miss a call or forget a birthday.

And to the secondb point, I can think of umpteen reasons why I wouldn't just leave condoms and panties lying around. Unless Myron's girl is like the ball-boys at Wimbledon, leaving either of those things loose in the house--like a dish towel or the remote--is fucking nasty. If it's right after and it's someone you're cool with... maybe? For a minute so y'all can cool down. But uh... my guy... where are these condoms ending up that your girl has to clean them? Even in the bedroom, finding a condom out in the open that you have to deal with isn't the highlight of anyone's day, even when it's your condom.

And women's panties? I don't wanna be detailed here but if they're panties a woman doesn't care about losing? Pass. I know it happens, but I've seen even long term partners refuse to leave an AirBnB because we couldn't find the good panties. That shit is ridiculously over priced. If this is happening regularly, Purell up, homeboy.

I know it sounds stupid but this is where the dots connected for me. Hear me out:

CONCLUSION Clearly, we won't know unless Myron were to ever come out. And all dogging aside, Myron should live whatever life makes him happy, so long as no harm is being done and the situation is a mutual arrangement between adults. But that said.

Looking back at Myron's attitudes towards women, they strike me less as arrogant, Alpha Male bravado. They come off much more like a jaded virgin's idea of what a real "masculine" dude sounds like. Unrealistic, half smacking of insecurity, half outraged. It sounds very much like a person wrestling with trying to be someone they're not. And while we're probably all guilty of feeding our ego for reasons that have nothing to do with our orientation, Myron almost seems to have an aversion to women.

Sure, he could just be your average Red Piller. But he doesn't have the charisma of, say, Andrew Tate. They both sat down with Chiann Reynolds, both made basically the same points, but the vibe of those two interviews is very different. In debates with women, other people who hold his purported values engage with them much more smoothly. Myron even makes Andrew Lincoln sound copacetic by comparison.

Taken in totality, it just feels like the attitudes and actions of a guy desperately trying to fit into the right box, not too unlike the anti-gay preachers that later get caught and outed after hooking up with a man. Anyone can talk the talk, after all. Even more so when motivated by money.

PS BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE GIRLS I've seen a lot of guys who are either good looking, rich, jacked, funny, good with women, demon's in the sack, or some combo thereof.

To quote Tom Segura, if you really want to shit your pants, some of those lady-killers turned out to be gay or bi later. And while they never used the lure of a collab or sugar daddy websites, (or treated women like they were dumb and disposable), they did have relations with the ladies for a time.

So while I doubt Myron's alleged game--see way above if you skipped to the end-- just being attractive to women doesn't make you straight. Sexuality can be a journey after all.

Could I be way off base about Myron? Absolutely. It is a theory after all. Although, I think it neatly explains a lot. Plus, the alternative doesn't exactly paint Myron in the best light.

Whatever the case, I hope Myron gets to experience real love in the confines of a happy relationship, be it open or weirdly Male dominated or paradoxical. As long as everyone in it wants to be, I wish he can know the highs and the lows of those relationships. I've been in love thrice and fucked it up thrice and I do not regret having played my hand, even when I lost.

Real, joyful, messy, passionate, supportive, conflicting love changes you and challenges you and everyone deserves a shot at it.