>None of these responses seem to factor in your statements that you live in a wet, dark climate and 5oz of weight penalty to enjoy a good fire is well worth it!
yeah thanks i needed to hear this, i'm getting super downvoted for some reason.

yeah going to buy a sacrificial outer layer and start bringing some tenacious tape for instant repairs and just accept that holes are part of the game

nah when you've done it a couple of times its not much of a issue, do need a longer knife though to process the wood and get to the dry layers inside, once it reaches a critical mass anything will burn

not an issue here, it rains on average 340 days a year here

well up here were the sun goes down at 3 in winter i have atleast 5-6 hours of darkness were i don't hike so i have plenty of time to kill. summer is an entirely different story

this might actually really help come to think of it, my feet and hands are also constantly wet and cold

these are my thoughts exactly, the fire after a long wet hike is the peak of the entire camping experience without it, it just wont be camping for me and besides i have 5 hours to kill, makeing the fire and collecting wood is fun too. yeah i have a UL saw and a UL knife to process the wood. Glad to know im not a filthily BuShCraFter just for wanting a fire

i do quite a lot of ice bathing actually, don't feel like its made much of a difference so far in terms of feeling warmer in general

wool everything as baselayer, old wool/synthetic pants blend, mountain equipment puffer (135g 70fill power down) and a wool blend thermal sweater with a rollneck. rainjacket and rain pants, wool beanie and cheap wool gloves.

most of it gets quite damp even with raingear, and feet and hand usually get soaked

sun sets at 3 in the afternoon here so yeah i end up spending a lot of time chilling at camp

i use all of this though, light puffer, thick wool baselayer, wool socks, wool gloves etc still cold. i am pretty underweight though so i get cold easily. I think i need to upgrade my light puffer to a mid puffer so that i dont depend that much on the fire for warmth

fair enough i think i'll go for this approach i can find some light oversized sweater to pull over just a protection

so a whole seperate set of clothing just for fires is a bit heavy to carry around no? sure it would work but not very UL?

already do this!

wow great reference i might actually build one thanks! how is sleeping in it?

true, so a bit fire and then just wait untill its just coals? little tricky adjusting it without feeding it or?

sadly they dont seem to sell frogg toggs here in EU, but its a good idea, sucks a bit having bought fancy rain gear only to use some sub tier one because i can replace them, but yeah its a good approach

yeah maybe i should just scout out some birch instead, not always so easy to find though as its usually just fucking pine everywhere

all great ideas thanks, not willing to give up fires as most people here recommend

yeah my conclusions are so far that i'm a bit underdressed and wet. booties would just get wet the second i move out of the tent though? unless they are waterproof they are inside tent only? sun goes down at 3pm so i try to chill outside

yeah seems like i just pack to little clothing, i probably need something in-between a lightweight puffer and a full expedition down jacket

true i defiantly pack light on the clothing side and compensate with a fire at night, its just really difficult staying warm in say -5c to 1c (23f-33f) without a fire and i'd have to bring my heavy puffer to stay warm when sitting still for that long of time, adding a lot of weight.
it also rains a lot here (norway) so i do find a fire practical to dry out gear for the next day so i'll probably have to make one most of the time anyway and i often go no stove and use a fire to cook my food