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Trouble understanding PAWS
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This whole time I thought PAWS was what happened what you quit, but I’m starting to think I misunderstood and it’s actually something that starts a few months after you quit?

How could this happen? Like why is there a delay?

Can someone explain PAWS to me?

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These are all just names for a lengthy process in which the brain recovers and recalibrates from drug dependency.

The experience is subjective, but I believe that anyone who has used an amphetamine at a high dose, regularly, for 1 year can experience a 24 month recovery process.

Some people will tell you how they feel great at 3 months, but they tend to be the exceptions, and their history may be that they were sporadic abusers.

The overwhelming majority of people I have spoken with that used high doses regularly for years will tell you the first 12 months fucking suck, and that things begin to pickup after with rapid recovery taking place anytime between 14-24 months.

I did it all: supplements, exercise, diet, therapy, etc.

Marginal improvements.

Time is the only thing that truly helped.

I’m not by any means saying don’t do those things, I just think people tend to falsely correlate. You’re more than likely exercising because you’re feeling better, and then there’s some synergy.

The truth is, from a neurological perspective, the dopaminergenic system simply takes a longgggg time to recover.

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Oh, yeah, I think so. The thing with your use pattern is that you alternated frequently between being high and withdrawal. Your brain had small breaks to prevent from completely altering its chemistry.

In my case, and many others, we used with such frequency that our brains basically recalibrated around an exogenous chemical, and once that happens it’s a long fucking road to return to baseline.

It makes sense. If the brain quickly unregulated whenever a deficiency occurred, things could get dangerous (serotonin or dopamine toxicity).

From an evolutionary perspective it’s safer to quickly downregulate and very slowly upregulate.

I think you’ll have a much faster return to baseline.

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Good for you. Definitely agree you need treatment. You need to be sober from allllllll that shit. Next time you will probably lose a lot. So get into rehab when you’re back and commit to this being a lifelong commitment.

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