Coming soon - Get a detailed view of why an account is flagged as spam!
view details

This post has been de-listed

It is no longer included in search results and normal feeds (front page, hot posts, subreddit posts, etc). It remains visible only via the author's post history.

17
Issues I've encountered
Post Flair (click to view more posts with a particular flair)
Post Body

TL;DR: contradictions and lies pissed me off.

Good evening.

I just wanted to share a little of what has off put me in the past few years.

First, about me, I was in a Western US region, and therefore I understand our differences from those in ROK.

I think my biggest complaint is the contradiction.

In center we are told if you meet x standards you go to x group etc. Seeing as my situation meant men's group, I was upset that I was put in young adults. As many of you know, the young adults have a significant amount of pressure applied to them, and this was overbearing. Furthermore, having group leaders 15 years younger than me it was hard to relate.

I also called out a lot of these contradictions and was told it is simply "Gods organization" and to trust it.

Furthermore, when I asked about the tent tabernacle, olive tree movement, victory cross, the Baptist church, and mooneys, and all the correlations, I was told they don't know what I am talking about. It was simply denied.

A large factor was the constant evangelism. At one point I got 26 ish contacts in one month, and the input was the same, "why don't you run harder?! " That's when I realized that it would never be enough.

In one sermon the GSN said, "if you have questions ask to speak to me, I'll gladly answer them". I repeatedly requested an explanation of hosang prayer group, tent tabernacle, etc. And was told I wasn't ready to speak to him. This, obviously irked me significantly.

I also was upset that they harp on timeliness, but services always started late, teachers for BB were late by hours at some point, even very senior leaders, after explained "fruits" valued their time highly.

Lastly, I think my biggest off-putting factor was the 100,000 graduation. Having lived in Korea I knew quite a few Koreans, and my church has several thousand Americas. We all participated in the graduation, even though we had already graduated. By conservative estimates, just in my tribe, the real number has to be around 92,000 realistically. There is no telling what other tribes contributed as recycled graduates. That is what gets me. That is blatant lying and a failure of leadership.

Let alone the basics of center revolve around a long term deception with the leaves, and the fact you sign a document written only in Hangul.

Also every time MHL came they would be like wahhhhh look a cross in the sky, its clearly God's will. (It totally has nothing to do with the fact we are adjacent to the busiest airport in America and thousands of planes have vapor trails overlapping all over the sky)

They also mention miracle orbs surrounding MHL and say there are pictures, but we haven't seen one. Heck, even when explaining the tabernacle temple, we get like 2 pictures of the temple, 1 of Moses Rock, and one of Seoul land where the tabernacles used to be.

I guess this ends my rant. Thanks for reading.

Author
Account Strength
80%
Account Age
7 years
Verified Email
Yes
Verified Flair
No
Total Karma
282
Link Karma
81
Comment Karma
170
Profile updated: 2 days ago
Posts updated: 3 months ago

Subreddit

Post Details

We try to extract some basic information from the post title. This is not always successful or accurate, please use your best judgement and compare these values to the post title and body for confirmation.
Posted
4 years ago