And what that’s actually taken to mean. I’ve seen a few discussions where people new to Refold reference Krashen / being a beginner, and the need to get comprehensible input. These people are generally thinking of starting off immersion with something like Dreaming Spanish (or equivalent) - targeted towards beginners, comprehensible, but all in the TL.

Where I get confused is when people respond to say don’t worry about it being that comprehensible, and reference MattVsJapan describing “mostly” comprehensible input. This is then used as an argument to go straight to native content for natives right off the bat.

I see the logic in saying it’s that content you ultimately want / need to understand, and why people recommend engaging content for adults over Peppa Pig… BUT:

1.) is it not inefficient to start out effectively having to look up every word or just let the language wash over you, vs spending maybe the first 50-100 hours embedding some vocab / patterns of speech / grammar through something very comprehensible?

2.) how engaging is native content really when you don’t understand it? Are people watching dubs of series they already know well (or the original of something they know well from a dub)? If watching with subtitles in your native language, isn’t the issue that your lack of understanding of the TL and ability to just read NL subs mean that you end up not really absorbing your TL?

I guess as much as I understand the need to hear your TL consistently spoken by natives in native content to actually get fluent, I just don’t understand how starting out trying that would be more beneficial than working up to it through more comprehensive input. Has anyone with experience got counter arguments / views?