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OP, I wouldn't touch that pink tusi garbage with a ten foot pole.
- Because it's a mix of different substances, it's impossible to determine its contents through reagent testing.
- It's impossible to know what the doses of various drugs are without lab testing. They could be wildly off balance.
- It contains various drugs that are best taken through different routes of administration (e.g. MDMA benefits from oral consumption, whereas ketamine benefits from snorting).
- It contains drugs that are often taken at different times in a session, like MDMA and ketamine (kitty flip). But having them pre-mixed makes this impossible.
- It almost always contains caffeine in unknown but potentially excessive quantities, which is extremely dangerous to mix with MDMA.
I'd also encourage you and anyone else reading this to stop referring to it as "tucibi" (a homophone of 2C-B) or "pink cocaine", as this creates confusion about its identity and contents. Pink tusi is not 2C-B or cocaine, and it virtually never contains those drugs.
Yes, check out drugsdata.org. I think in the 90's and 00's there were more ecstasy cocktails out there, but nowadays, they're mostly just MDMA.
DXM apparently fell out of favor as an MDMA substitute quite a while ago, though those single use Marquis test vendors still list it as one of only 5 options lol.
Florida is definitely weird. At least once a week we get someone from Florida on r/MDMA claiming that they smoke "molly" multiple times a week. Most of the time it turns out they've been smoking meth that people are calling "molly".
No, most ecstasy pills are just MDMA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ReagentTesting/s/8f7Wuj1jVp
Some contain additional ingredients like caffeine or amphetamine, but they virtually never contain ketamine. Ketamine has terrible oral bioavailability. Plus, ecstasy pills are rarely a concoction of MDMA, ketamine, plus an opioid or a cathinone.
But I do agree with you. Ecstasy pills with multiple drugs in them are indeed a bad product.
Also not to hate on reagents but, you could add 2 points of mdma to a gram of meth. and because of the dark color MDMA appears on reagents, it’ll show up as mdma everytime.
Just FYI, reagents can indeed spot methamphetamine contamination in MDMA:
https://protestkit.eu/how-to-detect-meth-amphetamine-mixed-in-mdma/
An example of what that can look like:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ReagentTesting/s/6WmrGXivzT
But your comment underscores one intractable problem with drug mixtures and why people should avoid them, especially those who don't have access to lab testing.
start dosing small, see how they feel, and work their way up.
Starting small and working up doesn't really work with MDMA. You need to hit a threshold dose or you just get side effects. You're just going to get MDMA side effects that way.
Starting small and working up with unknown doses gets people killed. I recently attended a presentation by a medical examiner about a woman who had OD'd on pink tusi. It contained only MDMA and ketamine.
you 100% can snort mdma. you can also swallow ketamine
You could but you'd be shortening the length of the MDMA , a short acting empathogen you can use only 4 times a year, and absolutely wasting the ketamine because it has very low oral bioavailability.
with that info, you can successfully identify that there is MDMA and also Ketamine.
Congratulations, you've identified the two most common ingredients. What else is in there? How could you find out with reagents? Is there an opioid? Is there a cathinone? If so, which one in what quantity? What reagent detects caffeine? (answer: none of them)
I’m only giving you shit bc my vendor only sells mdma and K. and even if i didn’t ask him what exactly is in it. its pretty easy to assume what its made out of.
This is foolish and dangerous thinking.
Really? Would you mind sharing a link to your study?
There's been studies that suggest that combining caffeine with MDMA may increase the dangerous hyperthermic effect of MDMA, may increase MDMA's neurotoxicity and cardiotoxicity, and may cause a dangerously fast heart rate.
...while lower doses of caffeine (5–20 mg) are sufficient to promote toxicity and lethality when combined with MDMA or MDA (McNamara et al., 2006).
"toxicity and lethality" sound really dangerous to me.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3492978/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2935994/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16889759/
Right, so why would someone buy a product that's laced by definition?
Why not just buy some MDMA and ketamine and mix them together yourself? That way you'd know exactly how much of each is in there and that there's nothing else like caffeine, a cathinone, or an opioid present.
The first link says the only reliable way to identify Meth in MDMA is with Thin Layer Chromatography.
No it doesn't. Please re-read it again more carefully. It says that TLC is the most reliable at home test for this.
The second link the reagent used is over a year and a half old and fairly orange. also the first test he used was a folin, both substances turn blue.
And yet the actual experts at ProTest Kit confirmed those results indicated the presence of methamphetamine.
any inexperienced reagent tester wouldn’t be able to identify their mdma is cut with meth
I agree. I simply posted that link to provide that knowledge to you and anyone else reading this exchange.
I agreed with you that reagents have their limitations. That's my point: One of the many, many reasons why pink tusi is a terrible product is because people without access to laboratory testing cannot determine the exact contents and ratios of drugs in it.
Yes and, as ProTest Kit EU pointed out, there are also examples where the methamphetamine can be spotted.
For the hundredth time - yes, reagents have their limitations. That's why I'm perplexed about you're steadfast promotion of a dangerous drug cocktail that cannot be reagent tested. Many people don't have access to lab testing.
Not everyone has access to free or even affordable testing services.
It's very painful but worth it. You reach a level of intensity that you could never reach through oral consumption no matter how much you take
This would be a better question for the experts at u/PROtestkit_eu . I don't know if anyone knows what range of ratios this would work on.
Lab testing is of course the gold standard. If you didn't have access to that, TLC testing like the kit sold by ProTest Kit would probably be the next most reliable method.
lol what are you talking about? Source please.
Thank you for sharing this - I'd never seen it before.
Of course all drugs carry risks and occasionally someone will have a negative reaction to them. In 50 years of this drug's existence, this is the only incident I've heard about. The article itself frequently makes reference to the fact that this is the first report of serotonin syndrome arising from 2C-B use:
To our knowledge, this is the first report to show this complication in relation to 2C‐B use.
To our knowledge, this is the first case report of serotonin syndrome after ingestion of 2C‐B
Aside from psilocybin and LSD, I can't think of a drug with a better safety record. I assume those are the only substances you use?
I'm talking about the current market, not the past. I cited a comment by a user with knowledge about the current market - take a moment to read it. You finding a single (or even a few) example doesn't prove that most pills aren't just MDMA.
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