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I define veganism as simply âan animal products boycott.â
I make the point of saying itâs one campaign tactic among many, aimed primarily at achieving the end of animal agriculture.
And that personally I see the principle behind the action as being grounded in the animal rights movement, seeking collective legal rights for animals to have a refuge in dense wildlife habitat where they arenât subject to human cruelty. In a similar way to how the act of boycotting South African products or the act of boycotting the Montgomery bus company was grounded in a larger civil rights movement.
Other boycotts didnât have a specific name for the identity one took on when boycotting, the principle for why they boycotted was contained in what it meant to be part of a larger movement e.g. being a civil rights advocate. So I would just encourage people to think of themselves as animal rights advocates first, fighting for the legal protection of animals. Though you could also call yourself an animal liberation advocate fighting to free non-human animals to be able to express their capabilities in managed wildlife habitat or a sanctuary.
As for why someone would arrive at the ethical conclusion to boycott, it could be a million ways, but the three main ethical schools of thought you can draw from are consequentialism, virtue ethics and deontology. I would just be prepared to tailor your arguments to the person youâre standing in front of, as weâll discuss in the second video. Itâs not important for you to know the school youâre arguing from, but Iâll give you them anyway as an introduction to each ethical argument for an animal products boycott.
So, five ways to explain the principle that got you into veganism and what branch of philosophy it may be related to:
Hedonistic Utilitarianism: The principle of not breeding sentient life into the world where you know you will cause more suffering on a global calculus than happiness. Examples: climate change, stress and pain in slaughterhouse than longer happy life in wild with low rates of predation, stress to slaughterhouse workers who are more likely to abuse their family).
Preference Consequentialism: The principle of not breeding sentient life into the world to kill when you know they will have interests to go on living longer than would be profitable. Examples: They have habits for things theyâd like to do each day and they show you by their desire not to be loaded onto scary trucks and to a slaughterhouse with screams and smells of death.
Virtue Ethics: The principle of not breeding a sentient life into captivity when you know you could leave room for other animals to enjoy happy flourishing being able to express all their capabilities in wild habitat. Not wanting to parasitically take away life with meaning for low-order pleasure in our hierarchy of needs which we can find elsewhere.
Deontology: The principle of everyone should only act in such a way that it would still be acceptable to them if it were to become universal law. So not breeding sentient life into existence, only to keep them confined, tear families apart and kill them later, as you wouldnât want it to happen to you.
Nihlist Ethics: The principle that you should be wary of in-authentically acting in a way you donât believe due to outside social pressures, like that acting un-caringly is necessary to what it means to be a man. So testing out values you were brought up with against new ones as you go and coming to the conclusion that you prefer a society where most have the value of seeing animals flourishing in nature and not in captivity/pain.
Why not use other definitions?
The reason I would encourage people to use the definition âan animal products boycottâ and not other definitions is it gets at the root motivation people have for being vegan without being divisive about which ethical system is best.
In 1944 those members of the vegetarian society who were avoiding all use of animal products, created their own vegan society and came up with the word vegan. They did this after a series of debates in which they voiced their concern that we should also be advocating the boycott of the dairy and egg industries.
Now I acknowledge that one problem with defining veganism as an âanimal products boycottâ is people saying âwell would you be okay with hunting wild animals yourself then?â But to that I would answer âimplicit in the word boycott is an ethical judgement on the activity that creates the product.â
So, for 99% of people protesting animal farming, itâs going to be hypocritical to go hunting, because youâre desiring to prevent the incentives for the killing from ever happening so you couldnât then go out and do it yourself. Itâs a positive that we get to really easy conceptually tie this to other boycotts where someone boycotting South African products during apartheid wouldnât feel comfortable with flying over their and joining the police force themselves, more so than in other definitions where youâre just saying youâre abstaining from using the end animal products.
But I am actually fine with my definition being softer on for example subsistence hunters. Iâve got a video on my channel of Penan tribes people in Indonesia explaining how it would be repulsive to them to keep animals in captivity to farm, and I think this is great animal rights advocacy, so again a positive distinction.
So the idea that some tiny 0.001% of people who might boycott animal products, may also feel fine with going out hunting themselves would just be one of a number of fringe groups you already have under many definitions, like neo-nazis desiring to boycott animal products and wanting to commit harms against humans. Which we simply have to denounce or distance ourselves from in our animal rights advocacy anyway.
Another concern people may have is that boycotting sounds like youâre primarily negatively opposed to a thing and trying to reduce your reliance on that thing. But I would argue you have that with every definition and that by creating a distance between the behaviour (veganism) and the principle (animal rights) you allow people to see the action as part of a big tent animal rights movement, where youâre hoping through boycotting, lobbying, starting vegan cafes, food not bombs stalls and foraging groups to create the breathing room necessary for legislation and rewilding where you can get to enjoy a more compassionate local community and see more animals flourishing in wildlife habitat.
To draw attention away from veganism as a political act is to make veganism look simply like an identity one takes on to look cool or be part of a subculture. Whereas people can relate boycottâs to other real world events as great positive coming together moments under a liberation politics. For example car-sharing during the Montgomery bus boycott, students leading the call to stop subsidising Israel and before that South Africa, the widespread boycotting of a reactionary tabloid newspaper in the UK that ran stories saying mass suffocation at a football stadium due to overcrowding and fences were the fans fault. So boycotting to show your real felt ties to the land you stand on. The first boycott was people simply withdrawing their labour from an imperialist landlord in Ireland in a desire to build something greater once heâd left, so I think it is very flexible to positive intention [1]
Now, does this definition leave room for any exceptions to the rule? Well yes in a way, but I would say a positive one, in that it allows for waste animal products to be used if no profit finds its way back to the person who caused the harm. If you can get a supermarket to redirect its 1000 loaves of bread containing whey from going in the dumpster to a food bank, that can only be a benefit to the world.
Also, it doesnât attempt to include animal entertainment boycotts in what it means to be vegan, and simply leaves that to be included in what it means to be an animal rights advocate. Although itâs so similar one could raise an eyebrow about why someone would boycott animal agriculture and not animal cruelty as entertainment. People already view veganism as simply abstaining from the use of animal products, so we just do have to contend with why awful people like some eco-fascists desire to be vegans and denounce them. To try and pretend that someone boycotting animal products canât also be an awful person in other ways is wilfully ignorant. In the same way, claiming that ex-vegans could never have been vegan for not having understood the ethical arguments is fallacious and off-putting.
What specifically is wrong with other definitions?
Why not define veganism as reducing suffering which is the consequentialist reason for being vegan? Because âreducing sufferingâ is too big, too abstract, too idealistic, beyond the capacity of one person to ever achieve, laudable but doomed to failure. Whereas âboycotting animal productsâ is not. âReducing sufferingâ creates the impression of the martyr, the need to live a ridiculously puritan lifestyle, like Jain monks sweeping the floor everywhere they walk. And excludes all other ethical systems.
Why not define veganism as the rule that âman should not exploit animalâ which is the deontological reason for being vegan? Because it immediately brings to mind the plenty of ways we can pragmatically rescue animals and improve their circumstances while still less obviously exploitative-ly keeping them captive, e.g. rescuing dogs, chickens or horses. And excludes all other ethical systems.
The debates that lead up to the creation of the vegan society were about the dairy industry. They were raised equally from a concern about well-being and about rights:
Dr. Anna Bonus Kingsford, a member of the Vegetarian Society in 1944 argued for a total boycott of animal products, saying â[the dairy industry] must involve some slaughter I think and some suffering to the cows and calves.â
Why not define veganism as a hodge-podge of the two main ethical systems, consequentialism and deontology, as the modern vegan society tries to do? Because itâs far too convoluted and open to misinterpretation. You get into debates about what does âas far as is possible and practicableâ mean, when you could just say veganism is a boycott. If you arenât capable of participating for being eating disordered for example, thatâs ok, you can be ethically on par with or more ethical than a vegan in your own way, but you just arenât able to participate in the boycott.
Some Simple Definitions
So, In summary, Iâll go over what I think are the best definitions:
What is veganism?
- An animal products boycott.
(This is a minimal behavioural commitment, with very little confusion about what it entails. The idea that itâs a protest allows for other priorities to override the idea like the need to take vaccines with egg product, but either way itâs still a strong commitment to a commercial boycott. Itâs both the reason the vegan society was created and simply the colloquial understanding of a vegan as âa person who does not eat or use animal productsâ, but leaves room for freeganism.)
And/orâŚ
- A way of living which seeks to exclude all use of animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.
(This includes other boycott behaviours like avoiding animals in entertainment, but is vague about whether it entails a weaker or stronger commitment to the act of boycotting itself. Potentially we could move to solely this one definition when we can afford to give more or less equal focus to campaigning against other industries).
What is Animal Rights?
The philosophy which says animals should be granted collective legal rights to have a refuge in dense wildlife habitat where they arenât subject to human cruelty. With the few exceptions where the law is overridden by right to self-defence or special dispensation from the government for example to practice some scientific testing to cure diseases, as well as breed and keep guide dogs for the blind.
(If a fox kills a rabbit because itâs the only way it can stay strong and pass on itâs genes, itâs part of a wonderfully delicate ecosystem. I have the choice to pick an apple off a tree and enjoy watching the rabbit. So, not wanting to parasitically take away life with instinctual desires to express their high order capabilities for low-order pleasure in our hierarchy of needs which we can find elsewhere.)
What is the Animal Rights Movement?
(Same again, just swapping philosophy for social movement, soâŚ)
A social movement which seeks to gain collective legal rights for animals to have a refuge in dense wildlife habitat where they arenât subject to human cruelty, etc. Etc.
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