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Hi Everyone,
I was a PUA from 2009 to 2015ish.
I went out 4 days a week every week. Probably from like 1pm to 3am.
I became the leader of a lair in a major US city and got to go on bootcamps with alot of the major MPuas.
I'm now retired in a LTR. This is a series of the biggest lessons I learned that moved my results forward that I would like to pass on.
Any questions I have time for I will answer.
Lesson 2: Shifting Gears - Comfort - The Iceberg Method
When I focused only on attraction. I would get LMR. I kept hearing girls say. "You don't even know me." I had no comeback. An Mpua told me to say. "Of course I know you Ashley, In your family your closest to your mother Sarah. You wanted to be a scuba diver instructor when you were a little kid. You hate your current job but are doing it to reach your 5 year goal of being a lawyer. Your biggest life fear is public speaking. And you favorite thing to do with your spare time is ready novels and bake amazing little pies like Sarah used to do with you when you were little. Your last two boyfriends didn't work out because you felt communication was an issue and you are just looking for someone who gets you.
Of course to be able to say this to someone you have to do two things. Learn how to communicate with the iceberg method and
Remember her name! This is so much more important than you think. Think back to every good set you had. Likely she knew your name but you didnt know hers.
I still remember womens names from sets I opened 10 years ago. This is how. When you open a set. Your goal is in the first 3 minutes to use her name 3 times.
This is a convo I once had to illustrate. Every convo should start using her name reguarly and often like this.
Me: Hi I'm pine, whats your name?
Her: Ashley.
Me: Oh Ashley, nice to meet you Ashley
Me: So Ashley where are you from?
Her: Hollywood.
Me: Everyone I meet from Hollywood is so charming. Do they teach how to be charming in the public schools growing up in Hollywood Ashley?
Her: Haha
Iceberg Method:
In order to be able to when she says "You don't even know me." have a solid rebuttal. You need to find out intimate details beyond the surface level of who she is and what makes her different than another woman walking by.
This is simple.
Ask a question that isn't surface level and is about her. Follow it up with a clarifying question. The goal is to learn an intimate detial that when added up with other detials spells out who she is as an individual.
Me: What did you want to be when you were a little girl?
Her: A Lawyer.
Me: Thats different... why a lawyer?
Her: My grandfather who helped raise me was a lawyer and I idolized him when I was young.
Boom you now know an intimate detail about her that differentiates her from a random other woman. She was partially raised by her grandfather who she idolized when she was young.
Here is another example.
Me: If you had one wish what would youw wish for?
Her: I would wish all children had food and clothing.
Me: thats a very kind wish most people would pick something selfish like a billion dollars. Why did you pick that?
Her: I grew up very poor and it was hard on my siblings and I to go to school without food and in old torn clothing.
Boom you now know about an intimate detial about how she grew up.
Advanced PUA Secret: How to break friendzone with comfort and the iceberg method
A lot of guys and spent months or years developing friendships with women. Learning intimate details about who they are. Only to be friendzoned. Then they might pendjelum the opposite direction. Not caring about women they meet or wanting to get to know them because of that or seeing it as a waste of time to learn about them.
Do not worry about being friendzoned using the iceber method. Once you have enough comfort with her. Meaning that you feel you could give her a good rebuttal if she said "You don't even know me."
Now it's time to use use the ice berg method to seed a romantic relationship.
To do this is simple. Use the same principles of asking a question and clarifying question to get to know her romantically.
Example:
Me: Why didn't your last relationship work out?
Her: I just felt that we grew apart and to be honest the sex was never good from the beginning.
Me: Ah I see... and moving forward into your next relationship what do you think you need to not have that happen again???
Her: Well someone who understands me in bed better and someone who has similair hobbies that we can do together.
Me: Ah that makes sense... so whats your dream man like in and out of bed?
Her: Well I really have this fantasy of someone who wants me so bad that he doens't even bother taking off his shirt of jacket. He is just so eager... and he just forcefully rips my clothes off me.
Boom okay now you know 1. How do fullfill her sexually. 2 She feels excited and comfortbale with the idea of sleeping with you because she knows you understand her sexually in a way her last boyfriend never cared to ask about.
Well thank you for answering. I kind of already knew about the 1st one. So your perspective lines up already with mine but was kind of hoping for a little bit more on the texting / phone calls issue of converting numbers to lays but your experience seems to be about the same as mine in that regard.
On the 2nd answer, I was more referring to what specific techniques did you use leading up to the kiss? I mean I have my ways but curious as to what you do on the technical side. Heavy kino? Push pull? What?
Interesting answer for the 3rd. So you would open hundreds of sets per week. Which is like coach level game btw. But your ideal would be hook 1 of about 3 sets set at the beginning of the night and stay with that set the whole night? So did you escalate during your time out or waited until you pulled back to your place? Me personally I hook up out in town then pull back to my spot.
Okay well it seems your online experience matches up with mine. It’s total garbage for cold approach guys like us.
Okay that makes sense. Harder to ignore a guy in your face than online.
I don’t understand your last part, what do you mean online guys will get rejected 5000 times? Reject like how? Like on a date vs having the escalation skills of cold approaching?
Okay, I’ll bite What texts message did you use to convert phone numbers to dates with regularity?
How do you usually get the first kiss?
How many sets would you need to open to get laid?
What did you do to get laid?
Is online dating a complete BS waste of time?
What makes cold approach superior to online dating?
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Interesting perspective. Thanks for the advice. Something to consider