Subject: the essence of my game - c&f frames (kooper)
Author: kooper

okay, this is a pretty long post and took me quite some time to write and formulate and i hope this will work for you c&f guys as good as it does for me. hell, i should make money out of this, as this is far far ahead of deangelo, but OTOH i learned so much from this community i want to give something back :) ! credits to badboy and zan, who helped me a lot in understanding this concept over time.

basically, i hear a lot here that people have problems with changing/switching from being c&f to the close and get stuck. the thing is, with JUST being c&f you really won´t get far...

to be successfull with using cocky&funny as a seduction style, you have to set c&f FRAMES in which you can take the process ANYWHERE (read: kiss, makeout, sex) once she stepped into your frame. for example "eternal love" (see below at examples) or sth like "help! could you please pretend to be my girlfriend for a second? this guy over has touched my ass in the toilet and stalks me now, i´m in DESPERATE need of help here ;~D", etc. ! doing this gets her in a frame where the whole process (kino, getting alone with you, kissing, makeout, etc) is NATURAL, FUN and "just happens"!

this is what usual de angelo cocky and funny that i know of lacks, the FRAMES! sure, just being cocky and funny about her and you etc WITHOUT the frames is funny, but it gets you NOWHERE :) !

C&F is like a base you create to lead the girl to a state of playfullness (-> leading to her being more suggestible for role-PLAYING). when you get her in that gameplaying mode, then you can bring her in your own world, the "frame" you set which you CREATED, CONTROL and LEAD (of course you stay cocky and funny in those frames)!

with a "frame" i mean a sort of outline. you give her an outline, a frame, wherein your interaction takes place. when she steps into that frame that you introduce, she gets into a role inside that frame. it is like improvised theater, where the audience is taken on the stage and put into a role, yet the plot is TOTALLY open and improvised except for the first spark.

PU for me is like writing an open script, a basic outline in which you and the girl can PLAY. you provide her with the "spark" and role to play in. girls love FUN roleplaying and they are also A LOT more outgoing, forward and playful when they are in their role, cause you and her are just playing and she isn´t "herself" anyway... right? ;~D

and this is VERY powerful. for example when i´m out in clubs and i see some girl again that i did "eternal love" with 90% of them come up to me again exaggerated dramatic tonality "kooper, my love! how could you leave me alone for such a long time, me longing for your touch and your kiss, etc. etc.". can you imagine the powerful social proof of something like that?

it´s like "big chunk" games, not just an occasional game that lasts a few minutes, but more a "theme" in which you interact with the girl.

and that is exactly what A LOT of guys out there either don´t understand or horribly underestimate. when i finally understood that concept through weeding out what works for me and what doesn´t (cause this is written down NOWHERE as far as i know), my game increased like there was no tomorrow

it is introducing a frame and then going with the flow, looking where it takes you, and having fun in the frame. do you see how i am just giving frames, no SPECIFIC things to talk about but just a frame for you and the HB to have fun in? you can actually "be yourself" (are you listening rio?), but in that funny frame.

what this does is it

-creates an instant, LIVE "our world" routine which creates INTIMACY, deepens RAPPORT

-it is a MUTUAL interaction and you are not just throwing material at her

-takes you into "your own world", where the characters you two present are not "real" anyway and are therefor free from restrictions that would be there in "the real world" (-> girls are more outgoing, forward, playful etc., in short, a lot more will happen in a lot less time).

-it is simply fucking SMOOTH and a lot more FLUID than spouting routine after routine or story after story and a lot more FUN to you AND the girl.

-you are constantly hardcore working on and improving your game, as you will be confronted with a BIG variety of responses and "ways" to play in these frame. you will soon have some twists that you can always use in the specific frames, yet frames like "eternal love" give you such a SHITLOAD of different responses you can never prepared for everything or even half of that what comes and you have constantly the fun of a challenge.

some examples:

1) getting stuff for free from afcs

take the HB you´re just chatting with and tell her to see if you can get her a drink. then take her by the hand and go to the death-row or to the guys at the bar and introduce her to one of the suckers ;~D. i´ve been having success with "hey :) ! see this girl behind me? she´s very shy and she´s been bugging me all night to introduce her to you, will you talk to her? you two would make such a good couple, you look so good together etc. :) " (note this is a HB9 i´m having at my hand!!), then she comes over, i introduce them and she acts all shy (i told her to do so before) and tells him sheeply and sweet after a few seconds that she´s thirsty. the guy IMMEDIATELY turned around and ordered what she wanted, a campari orange (like 6$). haha shortly after she tells him (i told her to say that too) there is just no spark and that she´s sorry, but that he´s obviously a fun and goodlooking guy and he´ll find a girl. hahaha

total time taken: 2 minutes, gained: 6$ drink (of which i will be getting the half, which was also agreed to before by me and the HB ;) )

on the way back to the group, we run into a flower guy who sells roses for like 3$ in the club. i quickly debrief HB9 that i´m gonna give her a rose and when the flower guy wants it back, she should keep the flower close to her and make a face like a child that you want to take a toy away from and say "nooooo, please let me have it :( " and in the end should offer him a kiss on the cheek for it.

so i go talk to the flower guy, HB9 at my hand, and ask him how much the roses are. he tells me 3$. i say "damn, i don´t have that much money with me right now. but tell you what, when i like the look when she has a rose between her teeth i´ll go get some money". i take a rose out of his box and put it between the teeth of HB9. i say "hmmmm nope, not really", and try to take the rose from her. she does like i told her and keeps it close to her and makes that face. i go "ooohh i can´t bring myself to take it from her :( , could you do?" and the flower guy tries it and she backs up and makes that "child that you want to take toy away from face" and says "nooo, i wanna keep it :( " and he backs up. haha :) ! he says to me "you have to pay it"! i say "but i don´t have any money with me, i´d have to get some at the at&t. just take it from her, though i couldn´t bring myself to take it from her, she´s soo sweet :) ". HB9 makes that face again and offers him a kiss on the cheek for the rose, haha he looks at me with that "damnit i know what you´re doing but can´t do anything against it" look cause she won´t give the rose away and he´s too nice to TAKE it away from her :) ! he gets the kiss on the cheek. we´re off with the rose for 3$ and the drink for 6$ back to the group, laughing our asses off ;~D! when we enter the group she´s like "you won´t believe what we just did, this guy is CRAZY, blah blah blah :) !!"

2) eternal love

okay, imagine you are in a play by shakespeare and in your role you have to declare your eternal love to your loved one. it all has to be unbelievably dramatic, painful and uplifting at once, giving hope and destroying it at the same time, happy and sad at once. your love is tearing you apart. and that mindset you try to project on your target. exaggerated as hell of course, make it teasing.

you do this after you already talked some and she knows you as a teaser/bullshitter (cocky/funny)

[dramatic face to all of these, throw in a smile/laughter once in a while]

"i have sailed the seven seas and finally found what i´ve been looking for all my life, my love, i´ve finally found you"

"what have i done all my life without you, my love, i could die this moment and my life would be fulfilled"

[when you go see your friends that are a few foot away]
"oh my love, i have to go on a long journey. it already hurts me now to imagine being separated from you for so long. what should i do without you for so long? i will never really be away from you, my spirit will remain here with you, while my body goes on his journey. oh my love" [take her hand, leave, slowly let go of her hand, laugh, go to your friends]

the last bit worked so well one HB told me [same dramatic face, as exaggerated as i played]

her: "wait my love!! take this and think of me"

[she gives me one of her rings (!)]

me: "i will protect this with my life, and everytime i´ll think of you i will touch this ring and a new star will be born"

her: "oh my love, i will stay awake night for night just watching the stars and thinking of you"

i´m rofl, dramatically rushing back to her, give her a kiss on the forehead and leave with a dramatically painful face... to my friends... about 15 foot away... haha

read some shakespeare and get into that style of speaking, it´s lethal, delivered teasingly and C&F of course.

3) hitting on ALL girls in a group

best way to handle a group of females: hit on ALL of them in a funny and exaggerated way. when you do this right like ALL of them will op themselves to be taken home by you, just for the fun of it (and winning over her girlfriends) :) !

for example: when i´m with a group of HBs, you can be sure that i declare to my UNCONDITIONAL LOVE to ALL of them (seperately) in a funny way over the evening ;) . the best part is when one in the group brings it up and they all say "haaaaaahaaa he said that to me too!!! you´re BAD kooper :)"

4) groupies theme

can be used as an opener and can be transitioned into a routine (or "theme of the evening" ;) if your targets respond well

goes like this (works best with a wing):

buddy and me were in a club and asked random chicks if they would want to join "our fanclub".

girls: what do you mean with "our fanclub"?
us: we´re offering you hereby the honor to be our groupies and to become part of our fanclub
girls: (laughing) why would we be your groupies
us: hmmm let me think, because we´re GREAT! you don´t have to do much, just the normal things, cheering at us when we walk past, following us through the club, buy us drinks, dance for us, all the things that the average groupies do :)
girls: (laughing) ok

by the end of the night we hired like 15 "groupies" and we were definately the shit in the club, random guys and girls approached us and told us they wanted to join the club or just told us how crazy/cool they found what we did.

5) various roleplaying stuff

-"hey, you see that girl over there? (point to some HB standing somewhere near) i really like her, could you act as if we´d flirt MAD with each other, like you´re all over me and hang on every word i say :) ! let´s make her a little jaleous, are you game? ;) !"
(note: girls LOVE coupling boys with girls, i have yet to be turned down on this :) )

-*hide behind her* "hey, pleasestay where you are! there is that guy (point to random guy passing by nearby) that grabbed my ass in the men´s room... he scared the hell out of me ;~D!! could you act as if you were my girlfriend for a second, maybe you´ll scare him away, pleeeeaaassseeee i´m in DESPERATE need of help here ;~D! i´ll make it up to you next time a hardcore lesbian is after you, deal ;~D?"

6) ANYTHING that is roleplaying, builds a conspiracy between you and the HB, creates a secret between you and her only you two know about, anything that can be used a "theme" of the evening in which you interact etc.

Author: Kooper

jimbo, i would rather not use this ONLY on the UG [Ugly Girl]. when you pull this solely on the UG and she is only slightly LSE [Low Self-Esteem] it will blow up in your face. i tried it in the beginning and even got a "yeah, fuck you too asshole", haha :) ! they thought i was making fun of them being ugly... pfffff ;)

as i put in examples, if you take the HB into the equation too it´ll be fun. as pointed out in examples, hit on all of them openly and you will have neither problems with the UG nor the HB if you play your cards right. when you then isolate the HB and the UG interferes, you should have attracted the HB enough already so SHE blows off her cockblocking friend :)

zan, yeah going "eternal love" right off the bat is the way i do it too most of the time, but when you begin with this stuff i´d recommend testing it out a little first a few times and getting the right feeling for it by bringing it up when you already have rapport and getting used to it. when you get good at it, or find yourself being ALREADY good at it from the start you can go in with it EASILY like you suggested (btw: love your lines ;) )!

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