The following story is an unedited account by u/Zeraphym47 on what abusing this class of drugs does to you.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!To start off sorry for the lengthy reply but i sincerely hope youll understand and that it helps you or anyone else reading this!!!!!!

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I'm gonna say a few things i ask you not to take personal but that's easier said than done but this needs to be done make of it what you will your right. Also before i get into this not tryin to be a dick although this is going to be some tough love. But all this lovey dovey romantizising of RC 's within our community, disregarding safety, own health, proper handling etc. , is quite frankly getting out of hand and its a damn shame cause that not what were supposed to be about nor does it benefeit anyone, itll actually just get shit like this banned more quickly and other substances of the group that are actually quite good. Cause reckless, ignorant, and dissociative blissful ways of going about hard and dangerous drug use ends in hospitalizations, fatalities and tragedies etc. Which in turn leads to bad press and attention from the Government we don't need and lets good options dissappear for good and usually shittier versions appearing to follow suit.

Another main reason that gets overlooked by many here and i personally think its one of the most important ones out of them all: Is that kids are reading this...anywhere from 12-18. They are taking this information at face value and trust some of these idiots on here with anything they say. The danger here being that alot of people with drug problems bullshit themselves saying things aren't as bad or safe despite there being 100% clear info on the matter validating otherwise. Like it or not that ''role model'' position comes with its responsibilities...Alot of us have unknowingly but someone younger and not as prepared in quite dangerous situations some even having ended in death. Some people like to say that's not their problem or their fault...and they are free to that opinion if it helps them sleep at night. Nonetheless there i no denying that false information being passed along pertaining drug use is as shockingly detrimental to oneself, others and the Scene as a whole.

Now after i showed you where im coming from i hope you can take it as i intended it, it seriously is nothing personal only my own personal analytical assessment...I'm a legit Chronic Pain patient myself a pretty horrible car accident i had over 10 years now where i flipped a jeep in the winter 5 times into the woods and got really lucky to be alive. So I have a very prolonged expierence with opioids of all kinds and get them perscribed to this very day and most likely always will. But I go after my own regiment and after the doc seen that i worked and i didn't get hooked or show other signs and symptoms of this he greenlit me even though i was quite young to get the perscription permanently. Also after moving and having other doctors review my case and perscription plan they also said not normal procedure but since its working they will continue with it. Im also a registered nurse and have worked with countless addicted patients to all kinds of drugs, which in my area turns out to be a lot of opioid addicts. I grew up right when the opioid crisis started and you could get oxys on the street for dirt cheap and fake presses were a thing of fiction among the common user on the streets. Have been to more funerals then id like to remember because of the epidemic and witnessed countless people pissing away there lives sometime in not even a month.

Both ap238 and and the 2 methyl version are bad news and probably carcinogenic but 100% toxic to many organs within the body. Its a very sinister little fucker cause it feels so damn good, with (at least the beginning) acceptable legs. The Legs part quickly changes though and you'll find yourself redosing quite a substantial bit as the nods get less and less and all your left with is crazy itchiness and the intense want for more, leading to disappointment of not catching what you loved so much in the beginning and so the endless chase begins. This will eventually skyrockets your tolerance very fast. Especially with 2-Methyl-AP237.AP-238 seems to be a partial agonist (like with buprenorphin) so it doesn't skyrocket tolerance quite as fast, but still has all the other bad side effects of its more rushing brother. Any ROA except oral is major league destructive to the tissue it comes into contact with. This also goes for the stomach lining but ill get into that a lil further down. So i would highly advise to avoid them all except oral. Especially please do not vape or smoke for the sake of you lungs man.

There are countless reports on these substances that in the amount of time they have been out are shockingly bad with numerous descriptions of severe side effects and hospitalizations. I was also hospitalized because of this shit which is one of the main reasons im so adamant about my position and telling people about it. There really is no excuse not reading up on this. Again don't take this the wrong way as im more or less adressing anybody who does this and there are alot of people here that do this.

What i mean is anybody who doesn't read up on the info doing the "research" before taking these chemicals is either to immature and incompetent to be taking part in this shit. Or and this is the most likely and prevalent reason, which i often see in my work with addicts is: Self bullshitting oneself so they can continue their hedonistic drug use with the "feel good" bonus of ignorant bliss, which beautifully synergizes to spawn the ultimate realm of escapism in these dark and dire times where one cherishes every second of experiencing something better and forgetting the actual state of the world and their own lives for a bit. Also having that kind of way of going about it is also very bad news with opioids and benzo usage that's the ultimate recipe for disaster and only a matter of time before you find yourself in full blown addiction. Trust me you really don't wanna ride into full blown opioid addiction with the AP's. Its a whole lot worse and much much more dangerous especially if you don't have something to take the edges of and substitute for the AP's. If you're like me and stick to oral you wont notice the negatives for quite some time. Hell i was even advocating for it saying its much safer than people make it out and also said blablabla all the negatives are just some solvent or impurity...I had the all white big crystal sparkling version. Looked absolutely perfect and clean...but as they say "Even the Devil charades as a being of light" hahaha, looking back its very fitting for this fucking shit.

Anyway started off with stomach cramps and headaches in the morning. So I thought ok tolly getting higher so i need to take more (wasn't planning on getting tolly done seeming i was in qurantine and had time to dick around and not many different options.) So I did, got better for a bit (cause i didn't feel the pain although it was still there and getting alot worse unbeknownst to me) but came back only alot stronger and more pain in like 2 days. So even though starting to get worried i took more. At the time i didn't have my codeine and Oxycodone i usually get prescribed for nighttime and day, cause i was stuck in qurantine for a month straight. I just wouldn't get better so i stopped cold turkey with the help of some kratom or i would've been in such a horrible state and shape. Even with the Kratom i was fucked up, puking, shitting, muscle cramps, insomnia and all of it for like 1 and a half weeks. I've been through oxy withdrawal heroine withdrawal and benzo withdrawal in my life time. (this was in my crazy life chapter of my teen years before i got my shit together after the accident). The AP withdrawal was much much worse...my stomach felt like it was forced to contain99% rubbing alcohol for months it was so bad i was so close to going into the ER i never ever in all my time was even remotely close to being in a similar situation myself... Couldn't eat for days cause i would just throw up instantly and feel like absolute shit after. Thank god i could keep water down or else i would've been forced to go to the ER either way. But only little sips and if i warmed it up a bit. This felt very soothing at the time and was pretty much the only comfort i had.

Fast forward 2 weeks....I was no longer withdrawing but at the time i thought i still was cause many symptoms just did not go away. Still had intense stomach pain and nausea. I had major Gastrointestinal problems that started to get very worrying....my stool turned white with yellow foam and all sorts of other bad signs that ill spare you with. Nonetheless i knew it was time to go to the ER cause something just didn't feel right and i knew whatever it was it was serious....thank god I didn't ignore it and went (was kinda impossible anyway given how severe they were haha).

The story is long and continues in the comments, but heavy AP237, AP238 and MAP237 users please read.