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Iā€™m at my witā€™s end with my oldest NK (9F). She has a younger sibling (5F) who is mostly ok unless the older one is encouraging her to engage in bad behavior.

For background, I know the oldest NK is neurodivergent but I donā€™t know what the diagnosis is. She is in a type of virtual therapy that combines tutoring and therapy. Iā€™m not an expert, but I frankly think NK needs additional support. The mom acknowledges that the child is ā€œout of controlā€ and she is also at a loss as to how to manage the behavior issues. Iā€™ve asked the mom if the therapist has pointers for how to handle NKā€™s struggles and how they as parents would like me to handle things. The mom told me that she often acts out for attention and that I should ignore it. MB made it seem like sheā€™d follow up but hasnā€™t yet (itā€™s only been a few days).

While I know that neurodivergence is a major factor here, I also think the lack of firm boundaries and discipline plays a huge role. NK pretty much runs the household and behaves very spoiled.

Example of a recent situation:

Last week when the girls had piano lessons and the oldest kept interrupting when it was the little sisterā€™s turn. I previously told her that if we did that, weā€™d have to leave the room so we werenā€™t distracting. As I was guiding her out of the room, she grabbed onto the little sister and refused to let go. I held onto the older sister and told her repeatedly and firmly to let go. MB often works from home and saw this and with her help, it took a few minutes to get NK to release her sister.

This week, I said we would stay in her room while the little sister plays piano in the living room because of last weekā€™s behavior. The older sister laid down in the hallway by the living room and kept yelling to interrupt. She refused to move to her room and was ruining the piano lesson. I had to pick her up while sheā€™s fighting me and take her into her room and physically block the door. I told her when she was ready, we could read or play in her room. She hid behind a curtain the whole time and when it was her turn, she tried to grab onto her sister and refuse to go.

I really hate having to try to pick up a 9YO who is physically fighting me and basically force them to do something even if Iā€™m as gentle as humanly possible. It makes me really uncomfortable because she is a big kid but sometimes it seems thereā€™s no other choice.

Other examples of the behaviors: * She doesnā€™t like me being in a position of authority. For example, we were crossing the street and she didnā€™t want me holding her younger siblings hand. She grabbed her little sister (she often does this as a means to gain control or leverage when sheā€™s mad) and tried to get her to quickly walk ahead of me. Obviously, I put a stop to that immediately. I told her it wasnā€™t safe and weā€™d wait on the sidewalk until she released her sister and they both held my hands. * When she needs to do something, she screams, runs away, and often hides behind a curtain. *Is generally rude and has a bad attitude (i.e., standing behind MB while making faces and mocking me) * Frequently has manipulative tantrums usually accompanied by fake crying. * Often behaves more like a toddler than a 9YO. For example, she wanted a snack and stomped her foot repeatedly while yelling ā€œHungry! Hungry! Hungry!ā€ until MB gave her a snack (I do not reward that kind of behavior). * Manipulates her younger sibling into acting out. She will (loudly) whisper things like ā€œNanny is being so annoying. Donā€™t practice piano or take a shower when she asks.ā€ She also just generally ā€œwhispersā€ mean things about me in my presence. * Constantly threatens me with ā€œIā€™m telling mommy!ā€ I always reply with ā€œOk, we can talk to mommy about this situation together.ā€ * ā€œYou canā€™t make meā€ is her mantra.

Iā€™ll add some things Iā€™ve already tried in the comments. Any advice? šŸ˜…

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I donā€™t have advice but can offer solidarity. There are no boundaries or consequences at my current job and itā€™s insane. The 10yo decided she didnā€™t need a nanny and that we are enemies so I canā€™t even look at her and must leave the room when she enters. Itā€™s extremely stressful and dehumanizing. I hope that your situation improves and your bosses respect you more than mine do šŸ˜…

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