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The attitudes that make a guy an incel when single are the same attitudes that make a guy abusive when in a relationship.
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Incels often rejoice in learning about women being abused or even murdered by their partners or ex partners, claiming that she got what she deserved for choosing "abusive chad" over "nice incel".

And ofc it's often obvious that they just wish they had been the one to abuse her so maybe I'm kicking in open doors here but still.

A very central thing to incel culture is entitlement. Incels think that they deserve a woman. And not a partner in a relationship on equal terms, no - they imagine a beautiful, submissive woman ready to serve them, with no annoying needs or wants or feelings or preferences of her own. They want to own and control this mythical woman, see that as their birthright and are angry with the world and with women as a whole because they don't have it.

Some men with these kinds of attitudes end up in relationships and then get very disappointed when their partners turn out to be imperfect human beings with agency of their own. Annoying. Not always willing to do things on the man's terms. Sometimes sick, or tired, or needy in some other way, and unable or unwilling to cater to the man's needs. Sometimes angry. Unwilling to let him control her life. And her looks might change as well, or just not match his imagination.

To these men, that is not how it should be and clearly there is something wrong with her. She is denying him his birthright and he gets angry with her for it. And since she's denying him his rights, ofc he's justified in doing what it takes to correct her. Violence is wrong, of course, but sometimes it's necessary.

So... The more I read, the more I'm convinced that incels are just abusive men with no partner to abuse and giving them a chance is not a good idea. (Obviously not talking about every man who is single but wishes he wasn't, but rather about those who participate in incel culture or similar parts of the manosphere.)

Not that anyone is likely to, I guess, but occasionally someone tells a story about giving an incel a chance and how poorly it turned out because... It's not lack of sex that made them the way they are. It really isn't.

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Some hide it better than others in the early stages.

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No, it's entitled attitudes/thoughts.

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Did that happen to you? If so, damn, I'm sorry. :/ But also, at least you found out, hopefully in time?

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I don't agree.

But sure, a three year old who feels entitled to ice-cream can grow up into an entitled adult if raised wrong, I guess. I don't know.

The idea that it's about immaturity, though, suggests that they'd grow out of it just by maturing and I don't think so because if they don't care about others, they have a lot to gain from remaining that way (but maybe learning to hide it better).

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Oh, good!

I was actually a little bit worried when I met my boyfriend but luckily, he was just an ordinary autistic mid-twenties virgin weeb and not an incel at all.

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Thank you! <3

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Nopes. Not at all. Far far from it.

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Reading that book early would probably have saved me from 15 years stuck in abuse (after it became obvious/turned so physically violent that I couldn't miss the signs).

And now, having read it, I see those attitudes so painfully clearly normalised in much of the manosphere.

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Yeah, that's horrible to just think about. :( The reality of an abusive relationship, but no support, no help and no way out, ever.

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I don't think we can count on them actually having seen real world examples of it. It's not always easy to spot, even when you're aware of it.

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I'm not saying that they are inevitably fucked up and can't improve.

I just don't think they will unless forced to.

An incel might learn to improve how he acts outwardly, and thus end up in a relationship and upgrade from incel to abuser. But an abuser is unlikely to truly change as long as he can get away with not changing.

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No, I don't think they do. I don't think that's it at all.

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