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Itās pretty unusual for me to beat the estimated travel time by 40-60%
ā¦ā¦Are ppl still cool with this?
I know itās āirrelevant at this stage,ā but for the past 1.5 yrs, the majority consensus has been to accept what it says.
Iād like to see Gray Hughes try to drive that departure route lol
If this was my assignment, I couldnāt imagine handing this into my boss, or worse, being required to present it in court - nightmare fuel. I wonder how much anxiety Payne has about this lol.
Imagine the justifications required to explain how this timing would have worked out that way, beating the estimated travel time by 40% like 6x in a row.
Obv I know the phone pings are a wide, general range, not necessarily a close proximity, but this is a picture they painted for us & presented as if it was the story of probable cause.
The post and visuals are a bit hard to follow, but you seem to have discovered a car travelled a distance entirely possible at around the speed limit. A journey of c 1.3 miles which Google Maps lists as 4 minutes is done in approximately 3 minutes. This seems entirely unremarkable.
You have, carelessly, ommitted the word "approximately" which is in the PCA, from the times you quote.
Your premise that there is something unusual seems to be based on :
(1) the phone "ping" locating the phone, precisely, within a few metres of Kohberger's apartment. This of course being the opposite of what you argue re. ping accuracy for Kohberger's 12 trips to Moscow. It is also a big assumption that the journey starts right outside his apartment and not, as one example, on the main road beside it, as he was already out driving. The defence stated in his first "alibi" he was out driving from later on Nov 12th.
(2) the impossibility of a killer driving slightly above the speed limit
(3) the car changing/ reversing direction
(4) ignoring the word approximately in the PCA timings
Just checking one of your routes, you have the journey from the 700 block of Indian Hills Drive to King Rd cul-de-sac as 5 minutes (your pic #8). This is between two points at times, given as approximately in the PCA, as 3.26am and 3.29am.
Google Maps shows a 3 minute drive time (at speed limit with some traffic). This seems entirely consistent with the PCA, so it is puzzling what point you are trying to make?
This is similar to the other times/ places you list, which are all within the Google Maps drive time and match the approximate timings given in the PCA.
But with beating the clock by a 40-60% dif
There is zero or negligible difference between times in the PCA and Google Maps. Any small difference is negated if we change tines (marked as approximate in the PCA, which you oddly deleted in your "quote" of the PCA in the post) by 1 minute, or if we assume driving a little above speed limit. Hardly the great MPD map/ time false PCA conspiracy you suggest.
heās heading north toward his apartment, seen on video camera.
As SE Nevada Street is dissected by Stadium Way, you can drive north on it, then turn EITHER right (toward his apartment) or left (away from his apartment) so this point makes no sense and simply ignores the basic geography/ road layout. The general point is meaningless in any case - the PCA infers he is driving around, perhaps criss crossing, in the central Pullman area for c 10 minutes. 2.42am - 2.53am, at the end of that window the car is then heading toward the Moscow road.
2:44 AM heading north on SE Nevada St, which only goes straight north <-> south, so heading toward his apartment, not away from it
SE Nevada Street is dissected by Stadium Way - you can drive north on Nevada street and turn either right toward Kohberger's apartment, or turn left away from it and toward the Moscow road. Your point makes absolutely no sense and is clearly at odds with the actual road layout. Nevada Street has a circular loop at its southern end, so is not just "straigh north/ south" - so you could be driving north and do a circle reversing direction, Nevada Street also intersects with several other roads so you could drive north but turn off in various directions. u/rivershimmer
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So the starting point for your map and drive time from Kohberger's apartment to Nevada street must be /- 27 miles by this "logic". That was exactly the point being made - you previously said and quoted 27 miles. It was not me who brought this up btw. And the point was not that you didnt say and quote 27 miles - it was exactly that you did quote/ say 27 miles and then on this thread denied saying 27 miles.
trace out a route that doesn't have traffic cameras that could have him do that within 2 minutes
The PCA says the route was approximately 3-4 minutes (2.42am to 2.44am comprises 3 minutes and the start and end time are both approximate). At speed limit and with traffic Google Maps shows 4 minutes to the entrance of Steptoe Appartments from intersection of SE Nevada/ Stadium. Driving a little above the speed limit, or assuming a start of 2.41am as the approx start, or assuming the start point slightly further along NE Valley Rd, all fits fine. Hardly sime great mystery.
according to the PCA he was supposedly at his apartment at 2:42
Really? At his apartment? Or in that area, maybe on adjacent main road? His alibi was that he was out driving from late Nov 12th.
he parked somewhere because thatās also the time when his phone stops respondin
Oh yes, good thought - that makes sense. His phone stopped a couple of minutes after the first video on Nevada.
How confusing. You literally just wrote one comment up
This isnāt anything to do with timing as it related to distance
Now you say it is to with with direction and sequence, which would seem to depend on timing?
This is almost as confusing as you saying you didn't think cell phone location from towers was only accurate within 27 miles, then posting that you did.
Or as confusing as you stating boldly that the people of r/forensics agreed with your take on the sheath DNA match stats and mixed source, when in fact they said your take was "categorically false", "wrong" and "incorrect".
People can make errors, change their view as more data comes in or misremember what they wrote. You however do all three but seem hell-bent on obfuscating, denying obvious errors and also seem to be very free and loose with accuracy or honesty about what you have previously posted. A pity as this detracts from what can be your genuinely interesting finds, researches and interpretations of the evidence.
And the way I read it it comes across meaning that he was at his apartment at the time of the 2:42 p
So, you read it that he was at the King Road house on the 12 trips to Moscow?
This makes sense. There seems plenty of time for him to go from Nevada toward the 270, c 9 minutes between sightings.
which is what is in the PCA is that he was on SE Nevada the entire time
The phone data suggests between 2.42am and 2.47am he travelled south through Pullman from area of the apartment to area nearer the 270.. So movement in southerly direction is implied from there to Nevada Street, I assumed south on Stadium as he later reverse that route after 5.30am and it is the main road going to the 270 to Moscow.
The PCA just says north on Nevada at 2.44am, which turning from Stadium is consistent with. Nevada is a short street, he wasn't on it the whole time before. He may have stopped there after 2.44am ( the phone was switched off at 2.47am, so that fits).
anything less than about 25 square miles
25 square miles would perhaps be the coverage area of a tower. That is quite different to localisation of a phone using tower data.
They donāt say that they see him on camera driving in a loop
He could have driven in any number of smaller streets, they may not have found all videos when the PCA was drafted (the PCA was written only a couple of days after phone data obtained). I don't understand why two sightings on Nevada Street 10 minutes apart is in any way impossible, improbable or difficult.
PCA, they see him going north on Southeast Nevada first and then going south east on Southeast Nevada
Those instances are c 10 minutes apart - 2.44am and then 2.53am. Why could he not have driven a loop, or driven elsewhere and returned in that time?
I found the SE/ NE prefixes a bit confusing and thought they were directions, not areas of the town the streets were in!
travellingĀ southĀ at the intersection of SE Nevada/ Stadium. But he was seen travellingĀ northĀ at the intersection of SE Nevada/ Stadium at 2:44
Erm, that is as simple as him driving south down Stadium and then turning RIGHT (NORTH) onto SE Nevada street at the intersection vs him turning LEFT (SOUTH) onto SE Neva Street, He could also have come to Nevada Street by another route of course, via Washington also fits the time frame. Here is a little map showing a right turn :-)
The red square on my hasty and rough map is Nevada Street (note the "SE" is from the name of the street, SE Nevada Street). You can drive north up that section of Nevada and turn left onto the road to highway 270. He could have turned right from Stadium onto the "upper" part of Nevada and gone north, then left and west also links to main road, In general though he has c 10 minutes to criss-cross and drive about - he was still in central Pullman heading toward 270 at 2.53am iirc. Having been seen driving north on Nevada doesn't preclude him then driving to the 270 in 10 minutes.
then the range of where that phone is is going to be an area of 25 sq miles
Nah - each tower is multiple transceivers, each covering a segment, so a direction and segment from tower is known. The timing delay then allows rough distance from tower to be estimated -- so phone position is known within a segment. Then using data from more than one tower a more precise position can be calculated.
This case linked below has a world expert academic testifying about localisation within 78 metres using 2 towers. Unknown of course if Idaho case would be so precise, but certainly closer to 100s metres vs 25 miles...
If he was going north on that part a left turn at the intersection takes you to the highway
The PCA didn't say anything about him being on Stadium. Yo
It says he is at NE Valley Rd immediately before Nevada Street - Stadium is the main road between those two, not much of a push.
But if he came to Nevada via Washington Street he could also have turned onto Nevada heading north.
I don't see the issue or mystery with this.
the opposite way he should have been travelling if....he was travelling from his apartment towards Moscow
You can be travelling north on SE Nevada toward the road to Moscow - if you are south of Stadium Way and turn left onto Stadium Way. The general point is pretty much nonsense though as he appeared to have been driving for several hours, likely criss-crossing and changing direction often
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Ah, so Kohberger may indeed be placed near the King Road house on his 12 previous visits, not at the supermarket doing nocturnal shopping as you previously claimed. Good the 4am moon-gazing / mung bean buying trips are now ruled out.