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Twinkle, twinkle little star....how we wonder where you are.
A couple of points arising from the lunatic, lunar and nebulous non-alibi. Apart from Kohberger's interest in the celestial zodiac (sadly for some, for now an unrequited love-in-lockup) on foggy, overcast nights:
Car Video - East on Pullman/ Moscow Highway
The "alibi" mentions another video of the suspect car travelling east on the main Pullman-Moscow Highway (270) near Floyd's Cannabis store. This seems to be another link in the c 21 video locations which are consistent in location, time and direction of travel between Kohberger's apartment and 1122 King Road at the time of the murders. Why would it be mentioned/ disputed in an "alibi" if it doesn't relate to the crime location and time?
Kohberger's phone stopped reporting to the network at 2.47am. His car, which had been moving consistently with the phone, is then seen on video at 2.53am in south-east Pullman travelling toward the main Pullman >> Moscow Highway (270).
Some of c 16 AT&T towers in/ around Pullman, Moscow. Floyd's and Blaine
The car travelling through south-east Pullman at 2.53am, then east on the main Moscow road, and appearing near/ going toward King Road in Moscow at 3.26am looks more consistent than any detour via Wawawai Park:
Pullman >> Wawawai >> south of Moscow near Blaine
Phone Stops Reporting to Network: Turned Off or Teleportation?
When Kohberger's phone stopped reporting to the network at 2.47am it was in central Pullman. There are corresponding video sightings and the phone and car are noted to have been moving synchronously. When the phone stopped reporting to the network it was surrounded by 5 AT&T cell towers, and was in the centre of 3 A&T towers in Pullman, all close and within 1.5 miles.
- Travelling west/ south-west toward Wawawai passes closely to additional AT&T towers
- Travelling east toward Moscow takes the phone past and close to several additional AT&T towers
- Routes toward Blaine take the phone past and close to several other AT&T towers
- The phone has continuous network connection from near Blaine, just south of Moscow at 4.48am as it crosses the more rural, countryside area back into central Pullman. Loss of signal cannot be dependent on direction of travel - if there were poor signal spots in this area why do they occur only in one direction of travel?
- The AT&T cell signal coverage map shows no gap areas in/ around or between Pullman, Moscow, Blaine
Did the phone lose cell signal in a university town centre surrounded by cell towers, travelling closely past several additional towers, and have signal over this route/ area passing in one direction but not the other? Or was the phone switched off?
the entire soundtrack.
After listening to his Exxaar "rap" stylings and reading of his nocturnal hillside wandering "alibi", I fear Kohberger yodelling as the Lonely Goatherd is a bit too on the nose.
issues in the FBI analyst report where they say the said the car was going the opposite direction of the report
That seemed more like the defence being argumentative and vague. They stated that the FBI analyst had considered a suspect car that was "going in the wrong direction on Ridge Road". However Ridge Road is part of Walenta Drive and forms a circle which runs to/ from King Road in either direction. I have yet to see anyone explain what the "wrong direction" could be in that context - the car could also have simply turned around/ made a wrong turn and retraced part of the route - there are alot of turn- offs to small streets/ cul-de-sacs from Walenta Drive.
intend to have Sy Ray provide his data showing Bryan was driving in the area of Wawawai Park and that he did not drive towards Moscow
It's not apparent from the wording that this is what they intend. They make no mention of data that will place Kohberger at Wawawai, or anywhere else, on Nov 13th. They allude that Kohberher had been to Wawawai on other dates - I wonder if that is because it is a location significant in the state's discovery? Among the vague language, the only claim that seems to be made is that there is no phone evidence that Kohberger drove east on the Pullman/Moscow Highway past Floyd's Cannabis - but that would be true if his phone was off at the time. His phone being off meaning no data is not the same as any phone data actually existing that shows a specific alternative location at the time of the murders - mention of such data was conspicuously absent from the "alibi".
I agree on the horror and rarity of an attack without known motive. Some of Israel Keye's killings were random in selection of targets, perhaps deliberately to avoid detection. We don't of course know if the attacks unfolded as planned for Kohberger and that there was no intended sexual element - or gratification after the murders.
misread the document and actually think the alibi is 'stargazing'.
Some people have even misread the document as an alibi! 🤣😀😂
his phone stopped reporting to the network while still very much among the towers
Yes indeed - car in red circle area when stopped reporting, smack in the middle of 3 towers, with another 3 slightly further away (zoomed in version of map from post here). You would also have to pass right by some more towers on the route to Wawawai.
Twinkle, twinkle, little periwinkle
There are people who are deadly serious in thinking that this was the alibi put forward, though.
Was it the inclusion of Kohberger's photo montage from Nov 13th at the bottom of the post that gave you the impression the "star gazing" and nocturnal astral photography was being taken deadly seriously? Only two of those pictures are really Bryan's foggy night-time starry sky photos. The other photos were taken accidentally when my phone fell down a sinkhole as I was digging to detect Sinaloan drug Cartel tunnels in my back garden.
actually did not travel east on that highway and could not be in the vehicle near Floyd's. That's a much more definite statement.
You make some good points. The statement has no time other than "early morning of Nov 13th" so is not clearly definite, however. If, as seems the case, Kohberger's phone was off from 2.47am and the car travelled to Moscow between then and 3.26am, there can be no phone data about its exact east bound route. However, a second east bound route on that road, past Floyd's, happened for the c9.00am return to the area of King Road - it is perhaps possible from the wording that could be what Mr Ray will offer testimony about in relation to a car sighting. The phrasing on that paragraph is vague - stating the phone was "south of Pullman and west of Moscow on November 13th" -- we know the phone was also east and south of Moscow.
The document does not say that on November 13th, 2022, Bryan Kohburger was stargazing
Does it by any chance mention where he was at the time of the murders, or around that time, on November 13th?
You would agree it does mention quite alot of perusing the stars and moon and astronomicals, and looking to the night sky for inspiration and similar nocturnal whatnots? Hence the celestial, nebular and zodiac themed elements to comments I think.
There are some reviews complaining about lack of cell service.
That could be - but the intervening c 20 miles, including from the centre of Pullman, has alot of cell towers and very good signal. The point was not that the country park may not have great signal - but that starting in the centre of Pullman, suddenly losing signal and only regaining a signal 15 miles away near Blaine is not credible. The car and phone had to get from central Pullman at 2.47am where it lost signal.
n square miles almost immediately became accepted as a universal coverage -radius- of n miles
...and that's NumberWang!
I see you make no clariifcation on why your map was zoomed in onto a tiny speck of green in a huge sea of blue and was thus more than a tad misleading
How did his car get from the centre of Pullman, at 2,47am with signal, surrounded by 5 AT&T towers, to Wawawai, passing through the sea of coverage you cropped out of your pic? Did it teleport to Wawawai, bypassing several AT&T towers between Pullman and there? How did the car pass through the sea of blue coverage area to get to Blaine, also bypassing several AT&T towers on the route, As I noted, this had already been discussed on the thread before your comment, worth taking a look.
Re your claims that r/forensics agreed with you about the sheath DNA stats and being mixed source -- You stated the random match stats for the sheath DNA match to Kohberger (the 5.37 octillion to 1) was impossible or anomalous - that is is described by respondents on Forensics as "false", "wrong" and the RMP as "perfectly normal" - does not seem like people agreeing with you? You stated the RMP indicated the DNA was mixed, not single source - that was described on Forensics as "categorically false".
It’s a “Partner Coverage” zone
Does Partner Coverage involve, erm...... coverage? If we zoom out on the coverage map, we see a sea of blue coverage a car would need to pass through to get to a tiny dot of green you have zoomed into. How did the car and phone pass through the signal area you cropped out?
Did his phone and car teleport from the centre of Pullman to Wawawai, past several AT&T towers? Even assuming zero coverage at Wawawai (rather than partner coverage) it is irrelevant to the point - the phone lost coverage at 2.47am in the centre of Pullman not at Wawawai, and another key point -- the phone not reporting to network between Pullman and near Blaine.The Wawawai signal has already been discussed on this thread, on assumption of zero signal there not changing these key points as it is c 15 miles from where phone went "off"
Points for use of “besmirch”
😀🤣 Down with the besmichers, and down with their unlovely, energy draining fellow travellers- the begrudgers.
🤣😀😂🤣😀😂🤣😀😂
Outrageous, to besmirch peoples' hobbies like that
but not a trained ninja
Tyko should have limited the duration of the duel to 8-12 minutes. It is well known no one can be stabbed, much, in such a very short period - especially in the dark. Conducting the whole encounter in a complex maze, of a size reminiscent of a family house in a university town, would all but have ensured Tyko escaped unscathed.
Sometimes shortens it to “smirch”
I love that. I have a friend who shortens entice to "tice" - she is often trying to "tice" my dog with a biscuit. I am going to use "smirch" and smirchers, 🤣😀
"Manderup Parsberg" - sounds like a tricky gymnastics manoeuvre or a yoga pose that requires great elasticity. A sword duel "in the dark" - lol.
ChatGPT artist rendering of a man with bushy eyebrows.
😂😂😂
That reminds me of real criminal case in the UK - the picture below is the real police ID artist impression of a suspect.
What is worse is that alot of people said it actually looks quite like the suspect. And I just noticed, he has no eyebrows at all.
As guilty as a SlowBerger in a drug tunnel
lawyer was definitely a cat.
I felt his denial lacked credibility. Too many dramatic paws in his speech.
on his way to being a rapping astronaut
😂😂😂😂 A space cadet in several ways it seems.
I had to look up Tyko Brahe (the discoverer of many a previously unlisted zodiac sign) - what an impressive moustache!
So, you posted a map with a link from AT&T coverage map, and mentioned the color code of the AT&T map for green (partner coverage area) - and the area of your map was green under the AT&T link, but you didn't mean to imply it was the AT&T coverage map?
Surely a bit unclear?
It doesn’t show the park:
The park is a tiny speck of green in a sea of blue coverage, not as you dishonestly misrepresented it in your now non-AT&T coverage map. I note you don't answer on how the car/ phone got from central Pullman where it lost signal, surrounded by 5 AT&T towers, and went past more towers to the park, through the signal area, but with no signal. It is as baffling are your AT&T map link to what you now claim is not now in fact in AT&T map.
Here, again, the coverage map showing Pullman and the par
I think post was deleted, weird. I pasted the text here:
last 'alibi' filing specifically said that the Floyd's Cannabis shop white sedan was NOT Kohberger's
The "alibi" actually says that based on as yet unknown, undisclosed phone data using a discredited analysis software, for a period when the phone was off, from an expert a judge has ruled floats on a "sea of unreliability" and "exaggerates his credentials" and makes false claims about being an engineer, that it is not his car. Forgive me if I don't accept that as gold-plated, reliable evidence yet.
skid marks
Given what we know of Kohberger's driving skills, could be more like a motorway pile-up as it relates to this case
there are cases of incels killing without sexual assault.
Yes, you are right. The Rodgers guy, a "hero" to incels, killing spree did not involve sexual assaults iirc
The Elliot Rodgers killing spree itself had no sexual element, iirc?
I so want this to be the same lawyer who appeared, looking very shy and sheepish, with a cat filter in a court hearing and stated to the judge "I am not a cat"
👏👏👏👏🤣😀🤣 bonus points for "advection"
pinged from a nearby tower
That would mean the phone had service....
You don't answer the question, yet again. How did the car and phone drive from central Pullman to Wawawai past 5 towers with no service?
And how did the car drive all the way from Wawawai to Blaine, past many other towers, with no service? Baffling.
particularly loved the hiking selfie in the photo montage.
😀🤣😀
Yes, just unfortunate Bryan was wearing all black that night, a bit harder than usual to make him out. A pity as it was taken at a lovely location and his black murder mufti, mumu and mittens combo looked lovely on him, really brings out the colour of his soul.
It has to do with the fact that Sy Ray has been used in a number of cases
So have any number of experts who have been found unreliable later.
The issue with triangulation in rural areas is there are less towers
The localisation from cell towers was not in rural areas - it was in two university towns. There are 5 AT&T towers in and around Pullman, 5 In and around Moscow and c 15 towers over the area of his car route. What do you mean by "less towers" in this area?
Although I want to know how much DNA they got off the sheath because it seems it would be very small
A full profile requires only c 500 pg. An adequate sample was recovered for both a full STR profile used for direct comparison to Kohberger and also for an SNP profile used for genetic genealogy. "Small" is not really relevant or applicable - either there is a profile recovered or not, and in this case it was a complete profile with very, very robust match to Kohberger.
There were over 1 million Elantras sold in that period)
White Elantras in the 2011-2016 year range are less than 1 in 4000 of cars based on sales data. About 20 white Elantras would be predicted in that year range in a town the size of Pullman. About 1%-2% of cars are driven at 4.00am based on average highway census data. Matching to the detail of missing front plate is a strong correlation.
they believe they can show that he was near a road that would lead to Moscow
The prosecution have at least 23 video locations of the car from the morning of Nov 13th all consistent in place, time and direction of travel with driving between Kohberger's apartment and the scene. Many of those videos locations before and after the murders show synchronous movement of Kohberger's phone and car.
he is near the estimated height based on the witness
About 80% of people would be excluded based on height and build described. Not statistically powerful, a weaker correlation - but taken with his DNA at the scene under a body and his car at the scene... i think if, as is likely, the shoe prints in blood match his statistically uncommon size 13 shoes that plus the description becomes a much more robust statistical correlation
Judge was rebuked for his jury instructions by the Appeals Court.
What has that got to do with the expert?
Apart from my hyperbole ( although I think the "sea of unreliability" is the accurate quote applied to Mr Ray by a judge) the points were:
(1) the "alibi" disputes a car going east to Moscow was Kohberger's based on non-existent phone data ( if after 2.47am)
(2) if the car is disputed as being Kohberger's for another time, that is irrelevant to to an actual alibi
(3) the existence of any phone data helpful for the "alibi" is thus far unconfirned
also are once again assuming the phone was off
Yes, that is the most likely, or in airplane mode. Loss of signal cannot credibly account for the central Pullman location and travel to Blaine.
NOT look like any Hung Phouc Nguyen
Perhaps the hat?
I didn’t mean to imply it was the AT&T coverage map. I linked the map with a hyperlink labelled “the AT&T map clearly shows”
So, to avoid giving the impression your map was the AT&T map, you pasted it under a link with text stating "AT&T Map" in a comment which only discusses the AT&T map and the AT&T map color coding? I see..... seems a bit unclear though?
Some unlisted and ex-directory star signs under the latter!
Could this be a confusion of time zones?
The car is on video moving synchronously with the phone, in 22 video locations. Are all 22 different videos, at different homes and businesses in Moscow and Pullman, set to another time zone also?
Kohberger's own alibi says he was out driving at 4.00am, not 8 hours earlier. Was he set to another time zone, must have been confusing. Might explain some of his issues at work.
You neglected to sign it H or W
Very true!
PS - Don't accept anything to drink should you visit with them (PS is not for post script) - many a good pair of suede shoes has likely been ruined that way. I was thinking Magellan type exploration at first.
link is the AT&T map
But your map, that appears right above the link "AT&T Map" isn't. that is the point.
Rather misleading. Similar to claiming the r/forensics commenters agreed with you when they stated your argument was "categorically false".
The AT&T map very clearly shows that it does not provide service there.
No one is going to make that interpretation (that the link is for AT&T)
Yes, it is baffling why anyone would think a link stating "AT&T Map" on a comment which only discussed the AT&T map would refer to the AT&T map. They should of course be aware that the presence of a tiny car icon means the map is not from AT&T
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