My Tongkat Ali Administration Schedule So Far

16 days on, 3 days off, 5 days on, 7 days off, 5 days on (stopped at 9/20/2024)

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Key Notes

Tolerance: I HAVE to cycle or the effects disappear within 2 weeks of continuous use. 2-day weekend breaks do not seem to be enough to get my tolerance back down. I decided to take one week off. This current week I could definitely feel the effects but they were about 40% less than the first week I ever tried it. If the effects continue to dimmish I will have to switch to one week on, one week off, or something even more extreme. First I’m going to try a 5 days on, 2 days off, 5 days on, 9 days off pattern.   

Wellbutrin: I quit taking it the past 2 weeks. I had 1/10 withdrawal symptoms for the first few days. Now I basically feel EXACTLY how I was mentally for the past 3 months of Wellbutrin. To put it simply, I don’t think Wellbutrin was having any positive effect or any effect on me over the past few months. The first 1 or 2 months was great though. I’m glad I feel fairly “normal” without it though. It’s a fairly expensive medication. In the future I may try cycling it or upping the dosage (2 months on 1 month off). But I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

Mistreatment of your body: Eating junk food, having mildly bad sleep habits, or excessive stimulation/dopamine expenditure (porn, Instagram, youtube, reddit, etc), still puts me in a bad mental and physical space. Overstimulation via phone usage is an insidious and reoccurring problem in my life to a certain extent. If I mistreat my body, Tongkat Ali’s effects are diminished 90% or more and I will feel like dogshit just like I normally do when I misbehave. I’m in my early 30s but my body has aged horribly thanks to constant physical and emotional stress from previous years of external pressure from this batshit psychotic society. So, I basically HAVE to run a tight ship when it comes to my health protocols, if I want to have any semblance of a decent quality of life.

Less fapping/porn: Porn is basically my only SERIOUS vice. I find I can function well on 30 minutes of fapping/porn once every 2 days. Under this protocol, I get 4 hours of CONCENTRATED work done per day and that seems to be my limit regardless of if I’m running a flawless health protocol that week or not. Which seems normal based off articles like “Your ability to focus may be limited to 4 or 5 hours a day. Here’s how to make the most of them.”  “In an 8-Hour Day, the Average Worker Is Productive for This Many Hours”

The problem is porn becomes difficult to control at times. I usually only enter into depressed brain fog zombie mode if I fap 3 days in a row. Porn addiction is probably the #1 preventable health issue in my life at the moment. The weekends seem to bring out my worst behavior because of the excess free time. I will need to make a new weekend protocol.

MOST IMPORTANT NOTE

Ideally, I fap once every 3 days. One day on, two days off. I found when I do this, I actually have even better effects than Tongkat Ali. I’m in a better mood and have even more energy by a LARGE amount. Tongkat Ali gives me energy to do things but I can still feel quite grumpy. If I fap once every 3 days I have more energy and I’m in a better mood. This protocol is the new one I should adopt.

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What Tongkat Ali Did For Me Last Week

Tongkat Ali is NOT a miracle “change your entire life without any effort” supplement for me. Tongkat Ali gives me a push in the right direction. It gives me that extra 20% energy and 20% desire. What I do with that desire is up to me. I’m wisely using that to do more exercise and starting up running again. That extra 20% might not sound like a lot but for me that’s the difference between having the motivation to go on a 30-minute walk or rotting away on the couch on my phone until bedtime. I gives me that extra URGE and ENERGY to do something positive.

EXAMPLE: This week I shattered my record for pushups and situps. I did 120 pushups and 120 situps in one day. Then I went on a 10 minute run for the first time in 6 months.

This is very, very, VERY out of the ordinary for me. Usually, I am only motivated to do 30 pushups and 30 sit-ups once every 2 or 3 days.

The weirdest thing about it….I have no soreness at all from breaking my record.

The only bad side effect for me is somewhat increased libido. I don’t want any extra sexual desire but it seems to boost it around 15% for me. Certainly, not a huge issue but one to make note of.

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Depression

I don’t think Tongkat Ali destroyed my depression. But currently my depression is easy to ignore. I would rate my current depression at a 2/10. It’s a difficult subject to objectively analyze. I likely need a lot of therapy as I actively hate A LOT of bad people from my past and have intrusive thoughts about getting revenge. But I’ll save that for another post. The main thing I can note is it seems like my mental health is no longer stopping me from accomplishing ANYTHING in terms of work, chores, and exercise. I see this as a MASSIVE win.

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Key Short-term Life Goals

Running – run 2 or 3 times a week for 10 minutes. This will further boost my energy levels (enhanced oxygen transport, increase mitochondrial number (Biogenesis) etc.)

Adopt the fap once every 3 days protocol. I will need to make a new weekend protocol.

Continue maintaining all healthy habits that are already established.

If I do the above 3 things, I anticipate my quality of life will increase 30% or more and it will give me 5 consistent days of productivity per week.

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Conclusion

I am still very happy with the effects of Tongkat Ali after over a month of experimentation. I anticipate it will maintain a positive effect on my life as long as I find a proper cycling schedule. I view it now as a motivation drug mildly similar in some ways to caffeine. It is important that I use this extra motivation in an intelligent manner to gain compounding positive effects from extra exercise.

However, its still too early to tell if Tongkat Ali will continue to have a positive effect. Yet, the preliminary results seem very promising.

First Week of Taking It….My First Post: https://www.reddit.com/r/HubermanLab/comments/1ezhsvh/tongkat_ali_changed_my_life_and_destroyed_my/

TL;DR: Tongkat Ali Schedule and Key Takeaways….Don’t be lazy read the whole thing or you’ll miss out

• Cycle so far: 16 days on, 3 days off, 5 days on, 7 days off, 5 days on (stopped 9/20/2024).
• Tolerance: Effects diminish after 2 weeks. Planning a new cycle of 5 days on, 2 days off, 9 days off.
• Wellbutrin: Stopped 2 weeks ago, minimal withdrawal, didn't feel much different mentally.
• Body Management: Poor habits (junk food, bad sleep, overstimulation) reduce Tongkat Ali's effects. Must stay disciplined for best results.
• Porn Management: Fapping once every 3 days improves mood and energy better than Tongkat Ali alone.

Short-term goals: Run 2-3 times a week, stick to the fap once every 3 days, and maintain current healthy habits.

  To all the gaslighting idiots that INSIST the effects of tongkat ali must be placebo and instantly dismiss my experience for no apparent reason other than spitefulness. Here you go:

PS...I'm STILL WAITING for one of you numbnuts to post a scientific link that proves that a drug ANDREW HUBERMAN HIMSELF RECOMMENDS, has no therapeutic value and is purely placebo.

https://ai.hubermanlab.com/s/w6LykDsr

https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=TzphgpWNnn_32Svs&v=tLS6t3FVOTI&feature=youtu.be

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3669033/

Previous studies have determined that Eurycoma longifolia contains a group of small peptides referred to as “eurypeptides” that are known to have effects in improving energy status and sex drive in studies of rodents [14-16]. The precise mechanism by which eurypeptides or tongkat ali root extract restores normal testosterone levels is unknown, but has been suggested as influencing the release rate of “free” testosterone from its binding hormone, sex-hormone-binding-globulin (SHBG) [17,18].

In two recent studies of young men undergoing a weight-training regimen [43,44] tongkat ali supplementation (100 mg/day) improved lean body mass, 1-RM strength, and arm circumference to a significantly greater degree compared to a placebo group.