I'm soliciting feedback after locking our latest JonTron submission.

To get us all up to speed: JonTron is a youtuber who complained at great length that changing demographics (fewer pure, white Europeans) would spell the end of the USA. This included plenty of other racially charged rhetoric. It's been big news because people are surprised when entertainers turn out to be nazis.

(Surprise! nazi) YouTube personalities are a recurring hurdle for this subreddit. Every single one of these have off site fan bases that organize (almost always at the behest of their beloved star) off site and brigade our exclusive, no-nazi home. Admins admonish such brigading when possible, but if the stars are not themselves redditors they can't do much.

Additionally, reddit natively has its own fans (and usually subreddits) for these stars. They don't need any directing to drop in and be terrible apologists.

These brigades tend to show up days after the submission, limiting their impact on our actual users. Today's YouTube brigade started a few hours after the thread was submitted and already required heavy handed moderating. It's locked rather than filtering out 90% of incoming comments.

We're trying a moratorium. When a few days have passed and brigaders aren't likely to dump in the sticky we'll open this space to input. Here is an overview of some reasons to stop these threads.

• This subreddit is not a scum pool. Users should be able to come here without expecting to need to argue with (or report on end) nazis and their klan.

• YouTube nazis are less newsworthy with each unmasked gamer. JonTron is hardly distinguishable from a dozen others before/after him. His content was not notable or topical enough for this sub before... or after.

• His own defenses are even less notable (relative to, say, a reputable news source reporting about the scandal). We're familiar with how nazis sniff their own farts. We want a high standard for this subreddit for content that amounts to "here is a shit being shit, let's mock/react/disprove" because it influences the tone here more than it's worth.

• Mod tools are weak. (Admins? Admins? Bueller?) The only way to keep heavily brigaded threads halfway decent is to "filter" them, meaning every comment is removed until a moderator reads and approves it. That slows down the conversations considerably. It's not what our users expect. And it depends on how active mods can be for the next 24 hours or so. Unlike admins, we cannot see and react only to people following links from a youtube video.

On the flip side, no one did anything wrong submitting these and we get why people want to talk about them here. Mainly though it seems like the quality of this content is not worth the cost.