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When he hooked up with his music tutor? I think he was a minor just caught the episode where they discuss it. pretty sure hes a victim jesus

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I agree with that.

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Emotional maturity is different from person to person. It's a maturity that is not as easy to observe as physical maturity or intellectual maturity.

I would argue that there are several points in the series where Frasier demonstrates a lack of emotional maturity but still has intimate relationships with women.

You can join the military at 17. I would argue that someone who decides to join the military is emotionally mature at 17 however you don't actually need to join the military to be an emotionally mature person.

Are we now to tell people that they can't engage in legal relationships because someone else matured slower emotionally? By your argument, you should have never had any adult relationships until you were 25. Maybe that was the case, I don't know you, but to restrict others based on your own lack of maturity isn't right.

To reference another popular sitcom, Sheldon Cooper wasn't emotionally ready for a sexual relationship until his 30's. Would you look down on him if he had sex at 21? 25? 28?

Bottom line: Frasier did nothing illegal. The piano teacher did nothing illegal. Just because you don't think it was right doesn't necessarily mean it was wrong. This is the kind of thinking that drives hateful political ideology.

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The topic is about what society and people in general find morally acceptable which is exactly what the attack on women's reproductive freedom is.

Who are these morality police that we need to check with before consenting adults are able to engage in relationships. In my book if you're old enough to go to war you're old enough to have intimate relations with someone your age or older. Who do we check with to tell us that we are emotionally capable of handling a relationship because Frasier was most definitely physically and intellectually mature enough to handle that relationship but people bring out the whole "emotional maturity" aspect of it as though it is some easily identifiable and quantifiable moment in a person's life.

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She's not a predator. The guy she left with at the end was well over legal age. She just said that she wasn't into forty year old men.

My grandpa married my grandmother before he went off to fight in world war II when he was 19 and she was 16. I would argue that both were emotionally mature enough to get married. They were married until my grandfather died in the mid 1990s. My grandfather was not a predator. My grandmother was not some emotionally fragile woman.

The idea of something being "wrong" varies from person to person and culture to culture. There was nothing wrong with Frasier's relationship with the piano teacher. Was it smart? I don't know. Was it legal? Yes it was.

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Yes the argument was about emotional maturity. My grandmother was mature enough to get married at 16 and no one bats an eye. Harvard-bound , 17 yr old Frasier has a few trysts with an older woman where no laws were broken by either participant and suddenly she's some monster preying on younger men.

He's old enough to fight and die for this country and intelligent enough to get into Harvard ( and later Oxford).

She's not his public or private school teacher. Even by today's standards there are no laws prohibiting it.

This is how abortion got criminalized. It was legal until a bunch of people who were morally against it thought they knew better than everyone else and decided to mess with it.

I understand that this may not "age well" but 16 is the age of consent in Washington. A 17 year old who is smart and mature enough for Harvard should definitely be mature enough for an adult relationship regardless of not being 18 yet. Of course the teacher/student dynamic may make it a bit creepy but it was piano lessons not high school and she's not bound by law from a relationship with him.

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