I actually find this comment really mean. I was a single mom at 20 on foodstamps and I changed my life by working 56 hours a week while going through the nursing program and paying most of my income to daycare for my 2 preschool age children. When I got my nursing license I worked all the overtime I could so that I could make investments so I could give my family a more secure future than the homelessness I literally saw kill my father after he spent over 20 years on the street (I couldn't take him in because he was a violent schizophrenic I couldn't have around my children).

When I got money I didn't blow it on nothings, I spent every tax return on businesses or real estate (most of which imploded) and after years of trying so hard, a business finally took off 10 years ago.

So yeah, I am fucking proud to have some money

Yeah, we worked really hard for it. Why is that gross? Why wouldn't we be proud of the careers and investments we made?

This is the first time I realized that those aren't the same thing. I gotta look more into those differences.

Most of our hookups have been with a single guy for a MFM - would the single guy fall into the ENM dating category, and me and the hubby be in the LS?

Is burned by the bush a biblical reference by any chance?

That makes sense! We are in our mid forties, and we're super broke when we were younger. One couple we met with (they were actually a triad) talked about how awesome it is to have 3 income to run a family, and I have to agree, that would have made life way easier!

I think you are totally right, specifically on the age group thing!

Thank you! That's exactly what I was trying to see!

Actually Arizona, I think we would be consider pretty broke in San Fran

You are so bizarre. I said I believe doing well financially shows intelligence and self control. I don't think it is equivalent to their moral character. There's lots of awesome people without money. Those are mostly who I am surrounded by as unlike you, I grew up very poor.

We didn't make our money from genocide, we made it from being blue collar workers. Maybe your family's money from the old south came from genocide. Not ours. We opened brick and mortar businesses were we pay our staff better money than they make it comparable positions elsewhere, and they love us. Our retention rate is phenomenal. Another thing I am super proud of is employing over 30 people that all make around 100k if they work full time (not overtime, just 40 hours). Most people in the profession make closer to 60-75k.

We have ethics, morals, peace, and money. They aren't mutually exclusive, and I don't know what your family did wrong in raising you that you believe that they are.

Have you ever heard the saying "The only people who think money isn't important are the ones that were born with it."

Try being homeless for a few months and get back to me on how little money matters.

I didn't feel bad! It's been cracking me up what you've been saying!

You're kinda nuts, I think you've built this whole narrative that I am some social climber who wants wealth and status. All I ever wanted was to make sure my kids knew they wouldn't be homeless ever. As fortune would have it, we came so much farther. I am super proud of what we have achieved, and nothing you said felt like a reflection on me. You spent a dozen messages proving what I said from the get go. Other people's wealth has no reflection on how I feel about my own. I am super proud of our accomplishments. Your previous or current money and status has 0 influence on how I feel about myself, as I said initially.

It's super funny you thought it would. This is totally a case of "you see the world not as it is, but as you are"

Me and the hubby have been laughing our asses off at your comments. Thanks for the entertainment, and keep it coming:)

Thanks for the rundown, this is all very fascinating! I wasn't aware of the intricacies:)

It is so ironic that you have gone on and on about the money you could have had and your family's position and status, yet somehow you think I'm the one obsessed with this stuff. Just look at your snobby comments, it you had any self awareness I would think you would be ashamed.

All I have said is admire people who do well financially, and I am proud we have. You have literally tried again and again to make me feel less than because your family had a better status than mine.

You are the epitome of everything you have been accusing me of. You are the embodiment of hypocrisy. (I think there's a Latin root to that)

Thank you!!! I wasn't trying to poor shame! I spent the first half of my life struggling to keep the electric on!

You just said you voluntarily gave up the life I aspire to, and then the next post you say your family didn't have money? Or did you just run away from classy people?

For someone so educated you sure don't make a lot of sense. Maybe you should have gone for an English major instead of Latin and you could learn how to get your point across. I can't tell if you came from a poor family of middle class teachers, or if you fled from wealth and prosperity.

That's so nice of you, thank you!!! I was not trying to shame anyone! Thank you!

Thank you for saying that!

Financially I have already achieved the life aspired to. Hell, I have already lapped it.

Hopefully, you are equally satisfied with your finances. I have a difficult time thinking you are real since in one breath you call your debutante family vapid and shallow (those with money that raised you as a debutante and the way of life you fled from) and in another post you speak of how highly you regard them.

I think you just want to attack, not think logically. Tracks for an Arts major.

Yeah, I would take more pride in being a nurse than speaking Latin everyday of the week.

I can see why you are pissed about your choices, your degrees are expensive, don't improve the world, aren't well respected, and don't make you any money.

Sorry debutante, your PHD parents weren't smart enough to guide you into a more useful profession. Latin, sheesh. It figures it runs in the family.

Yeah, the USA is quite conservative about this stuff. I am having to joing a Facebook group to get in with the new guys swinger's group, and I am super nervous that people I know might find out about this, we had been planning on keeping it private.

If you had a degree in chemistry, biology, science, math, physics, or something actually useful, I would applaud your degree. How are you going to make the world a better place with Latin or Arts? By talking about it? I am curious how many of the people with your degree have made the world a better place in our generation.

All the money in the world to have done something meaningful with your life, and you chose a profession that allows your to discuss the root word of a meaning. What a waste. Have fun feeling smart and doing nothing useful.

That's probably the most use you have gotten from your degree!

Thanks for the response! Maybe what I am seeing is rare. I was just curious. I think I somehow pissed some people off with this post. I wasn't trying to!

Honestly, that resembles the hypothesis I was toying with when I asked this question! I was wondering if having extra money available gave people the freedom to explore the LS. When we were broke we couldn't have afforded any clubs (which we really don't like much anyhow) and we worked so much we didn't really have time to do anything outside of focusing on our family.

Your name is brilliant, absolutely LOVE it!

We haven't run into any other EXJWs, but that kinda surprises me. I heard there are a ton of EXMOs in the LS. Do you think that's related to LDS polygamy beliefs?

And have you seen book Mormon? It's my favorite!

Awesome!!! ExJWs here!!! Your angrier cousins, lol!

Not really a liberal area, but I think we just connected with a really awesome guy who has a pretty cool group.

I guess the other people we met might have kinda been one offs.

It doesn't sound like you take much pride in sharing anything with your friends, just bragging. Sorry about your degrees, what strange choices. I can see why you have no money. Latin, lol!!! It sounds like you focused on sounding smart verses actually being useful! Latin and art stacked degrees, these were definitely debutante choices!

It's not to throw it in their faces. You seem very hostile. It's something we are proud of and have been generous with.

Just to understand this point, can you share one thing that you are proud of and enjoy sharing with your friends? If you haven't achieved anything that you are proud of and enjoy sharing with friends, I am sorry for you and hope you make better choices in the future.

I actually really appreciate when pretty girls acknowledge their looks. I love their confidence! I hate it when a pretty or not as pretty girl puts herself down. I love to celebrate people's successes in both the money and appearance category. So I don't think I am really relating to this comment.

I don't consider someone else's beauty or wealth to have ANY reflection on me. It would be really weird if a girl talked about being prettier or wealthier than me as a comparision, but I don't know who would ever phrase things in that manner. If I took their pridefully speaking about their looks or finances as a dig at me, I think that would more be a reflection of my own insecurities rather than what they were trying to say.

I love to celebrate what people have accomplished, whether it be their family, wealth, education, or appearance.

Do you think wealth is a disqualifier for kindness? Kindness and competence are the things that matter most to me. I tend to find competent people also do well with managing their finances.

I haven't seen money influence whether someone is kind or not, except for people with less than attacking me and telling me it's gross to have money. I don't understand this reasoning. I was not born a debutante. I was born in a cult to a very poor family and I worked my ass off for every single thing I have.

A person having wealth isn't going to decide if I fuck them or not, but I carry a respect for people who know how build wealth, it shows a measure of self control and intelligence, both which I also find attractive.

That they are successful and financially independent? Ew yuck. Who would want any of that?

Australia is a glorious country, we visited there last summer. I fell in love with the wombats! The Blue Mountains were pretty epic as well!

Minimum wage for your country is $23.25/hr from what I am seeing. In the USA, the national minimum wage is $7.25/hr, so that's a pretty huge income gap.

In our area you can probably find a starter home for around 500k, and anything over 1million is going to be pretty nice. It crazy how quickly the hone quality improves at that point. Home for $800k are meh, and jump to 1.2m and they are awesome! There used to be more of a price gap between mediocre and awesome

Thank you!

Yeah, it's crazy how expensive this is! We have adult children living at home so we can't host.

We have points for hotels, but Sunday we got a room that would have been $350, and it really wasn't a luxurious room at all. But I don't plan on spending all out points on hookups, or getting a extra home. I am really excited about this group we are joining because I guess they have big house parties with dozens of attendees, and all day events. It seems super perfect for our situation! I should have asked about entrance fees. Do you know how much they usually charge? I know swingers clubs in our area are about $100 per couple

Thanks for sharing! We haven't done the swingers cruises, and this is the first I have heard of a hotel takeover, how fascinating!