I've noticed that a lot of guys have been talking about pricing and price points lately and that inspired me to write this thread.

I usually try not to spend less than $400 an hour on a provider. Now to some guys that sounds outrageous, but to me I think its worth it. In addition to the posts about pricing, I've noticed some horror story posts, aka situations involving a provider that have gone south. When I see this post I sometimes ask "how much did you pay" and if I get an answer it is always $200 or less. I'm not surprised.

I started seeing providers over a decade ago on backpage. I would normally spend $200/hour or less. When I started out I made some mistakes and thought with the wrong head. I quickly learned the tricks, many of which are laid out in this sub and other places, that help weed out the worst of the worst.

However, I eventually come across Eros.com. I noticed there was a difference in the quality of the ads vs backpage. The ads were more sophisticated, had better photos and the providers appeared hotter. They had well thought out ad copy, websites, and detailed information on how to reach them. They were also more expensive. I wondered for a while if it was worth it, or if I could afford it After getting a new job with a good raise, I decided to try it, and folks I have never looked back.

The truth is there was huge difference. Once you pass a certain price point the difference becomes impossible to ignore. The girls are sexier, the set up is less stressful, and the sex is way hotter. I was dealing with less bullshit, feeling safer and spending time with higher quality women.

Maybe you're wondering if it is worth it. Sex is just sex, right? A nut is a nut? That is up for you to decide. But to help you, I wrote a quick guide to the different markets, based on my experiences. It goes over the markets and a quick overview of what I do and don't like. Please note, my price range estimates are based on my experience in NYC and other big cities, so prices might skew a bit higher than your area. However, keep in mind that high end escorts tend to cluster in big cities. What is "high end" for your area may be a different standard.

LOW END ESCORTS

The low end market is defined by its low barriers to entry and affordability. All a provider needs is a phone and an internet connection. The service model and prices are usually following a volume strategy, where the provider tries to see as many clients in as short a time as possible. There are many independent providers but I would also include many massage parlors in this market.

Price: These are the most affordable providers, to say the least. Typically these escorts will charge $150-$200/hr or less but this can vary on location. They'll also a short stay or half hour option for guys in a pinch. It is also typical for providers to offer a "menu." This means sometimes if you want certain acts, or "extras" you will be up-charged and have to pay more for DFK, MSOG or BBBJ for example.

How they advertise: You can find these providers on sites like skip the games, escort babylon, bedpage and others like them. The one thing all these sites have in common is that they are very cheap, if not free, to post ads on. These websites usually look dated, and half the ads are obvious scams. The massage parlors/brothers will always use fake pictures. The ads the independent providers post are usually pretty similar and basic. The providers usually post selfies taken from their phones in a hotel/motel room, usually wearing just a bra and panties.

The ads they post can be their only web presence, but sometimes they'll have social media. Usually its a twitter, IG and/or snapchat.

How to book: The ad will go over specifics, but usually providers will take bookings over the phone via text. Response rates will vary. You may or may not get screened. You may get asked for a deposit, do not pay one. There is a lot of scamming on this end of the market.

The Providers: This is the market segment where most sex workers and providers operate. There is a low barrier to entry, you just need a cellphone and a hotel room. There are both full time providers in this market and part timers who come in and out to make extra bucks when they need, so there is a churn. In terms of looks, most of them are average women. Many providers in this market are just average women trying to make ends meet. However, there are also many providers in this market place that have legal issues, substance addictions and messy personal lives.

The Appointment: You probably should never host an outcall. You're likely going to do an incall. Typically the incall locations are always in the worst parts of town in rundown motels/hotels. Some of these places can get real sketchy. The locations are never convenient either. Sometimes the room isn't always the cleanest. Sometimes you'll hear the providers phone going off as texts and calls come in, hopefully your provider doesn't answer them in session. Also, the services aren't that great. Remember the menu I discussed earlier? Well, upselling is common. You may think you ordered one thing on the menu, only to find a certain act wasn't covered and its extra. It usually means you're forced into another business negotiation. These providers will sometimes go for volume and see as many clients as possible, which means they're trying to get you out out of the door as soon as you walk in.

If all this sounds like an appetite for bad sex, in my experience it usually was. I was busting a lot of low quality nuts with below average chicks. You would find some great providers here and there, but they usually didn't last long and usually left.

The Verdcit: The upside to this market is price. If you're short on change you can bust a nut on the cheap. If you're discerning you can find some great providers at an awesome value. You can also see way more providers this way

There are a few downsides. One is you have to do a lot of sifting. It's like buying something off the discount rack. You'll have to sort through ad after ad after ad to find one that is appealing and doesn't look like complete bullshit. Even if you do your research (and you have to do a lot of research) most of the ones you do meet aren't worth a repeat.

On the whole you're not dealing with the best of the best. You're more likely to have issues with the provider's reliability and they are more likely to cross certain professional boundaries (like randomly texting you asking for cash/appointments). You're also way more likely to deal with game players and scammers. Plus, some of them are just outright miserable on a personality level.

You'll tend to find yourself spending a lot of time at cheap motels in shitty neighborhoods. Depending on your reputation, you might not want to be seen in these areas. Your car can get broken into.

You are saving money, but you're taking on more personal risk.

THE MIDDLE MARKET

The middle market is a bit harder to define. Usually providers in this market are trying to mimic the marketing and services of high end escorts, but they don't have the looks, resources or know how to successfully compete at the highest price point. They will usually offer a more GFE type model. However you also get providers who's services are more like what you'd find in the low end market, but they are way hotter than the average provider and thus can charge more. There are also providers in this market trying to straddle both ends of the market. They will advertise a GFE type model on some sites and a more volume based model on some other sites.

Price: Again, this depends on the market but typically this ranges about $300-$500 an hour. Usually girls in this market do not do short stays or half hours.

How they advertise: Tryst and Private Delights are probably the websites that best exemplify the middle market. Tryst is the better website of the two, for both clients and providers. It has a slick modern design and is easier to use/navigate. Also, while it is free to advertise one, they do offer premium services. Providers can pay for ad metrics and placement. As a result Tryst can attract both the mid range and high end escort. If you're seeing an ad towards the top of your search results or being suggested, odds are the provider is paying for extra services.

You'll start to notice a higher level of sophistication in the marketing. It isn't consistent, but you'll start to see photos from professionally done photoshoots. Instead of a bra and panties, you'll get matching lingerie sets, it not actual clothes from luxury brands. The copy, aka the words written in the ad, will usually be free of spelling mistakes and significant grammar errors. They'll always have a social media, and sometimes a website.

How to book: Always refer to the ad for specifics. However, providers in this market start to drift towards e-mail booking over texting. You'll typically run into some sort of screening process. Usually most providers are fine with references from other providers. You may be asked for a deposit, I would not pay one. Also, providers start to prefer advanced bookings over same day ones. Providers are usually respond pretty reliably if you follow the guidelines on their ads.

The Providers: The providers in this market are on average better looking and smarter than the ones on the low end market. They can carry on more interesting conversation. They've invested more time and effort into being a provider than the average one. They recognize what makes the high end escorts successful and mimic it. However, they usually just can't check all the boxes. Maybe they don't have the looks. Maybe they have the looks but can't afford the professional photoshoots, luxury brand clothes and slick websites that really set them apart. They usually have a more professional approach to the job as well.

The Appointment: Typically providers in this range will host incalls in some chain hotel/motel (like a marriot or holiday inn) or at a private residence.

Usually the base level of service for this market is GFE, which usually means BBBJ and DFK. Also, you're paying for the time not the nut so MSOG is usually included as well. Sometimes providers will charge more for VIP/PSE, which usually includes GREEK and other more taboo/risky but not all offer this. Basically what happens is once the time starts the business side stops. You enjoy your time, and when it comes to and end you're kindly reminded that it is time to get dressed and head home.

The Verdict: You may start to notice some differences in the experience and service at this price point. First, you're seeing the provider in safe neighborhoods at a regular hotel chain with responsive staff. Also, the providers themselves tend to be a bit more stable. Everything is safer and more discreet. Also, I noticed that certain games stopped once I started dealing with this market and above. I haven't had anyone even try to scam me once.

Also, you'll be better able to enjoy the moment. You'll be able to relax and not deal with sudden up charges or negotiations. The providers start to be consistently more attractive and enjoyable to be around.

Of course the old saying YMMV always applies. With any provider the quality of the experience can come down to lots of factors including personal chemistry. However, I just noticed that by and large I was able to have better experiences starting at this price point vs the lower ones.

The High End Escort

The creme de la creme! Booking an experience with these providers will send you to a different level. In addition to being incredibly sexy, these providers are saavy and sophisticated. They target the best and wealthiest clients. They don't go after the most bookings, they go after the most valuable bookings. These providers check every box and get everything right. They tend to prefer longer term bookings, some will even have a 90 minute or two hour minimum.

There is a higher barrier to entry. The clients are usually more discerning and sophisticated. These providers pay top dollar to advertise. They spend lots of money on designer cloths to wear in photoshoots. Not anyone can just enter.

Price: Starts at $500/hr depending on city/location. Can go up to $1K/hr. Porn stars can go for $1.5k to $2k/hr

How they advertise: The site that defines the high end market is EROS.com. Tryst.link is also good. High end girls will also advertise on the boards of TER or other message sites. Preferred 411 used to be in higher use but is still around. EROS is the most expensive advertising platform, Tryst has premium options. In general they spend more to advertise.

These providers usually always have a social media presence. They will usually have a website as well. They have a presence across the web.

Almost all of their photos will professionally shot and they will be wearing luxury brands exclusively.

How to book: Always refer to the ad for specifics. However, providers in this market usually prefer e-mail over text. They usually operate on advanced bookings only, especially for new clients. As a rule they will always screen, and provider references are usually accepted. You may be asked for a deposit, I normally advocate against it but some may offer you no choice. If you want to book a porn star, you're paying a deposit. These providers will not take any shit. They are too in demand to deal with any crap. Follow their rules, if you don't feel comfortable with their rules don't bother. They'll move on before you do.

The Appointment: Usually always in one of the better hotels near the downtown areas (they target the business clients) or at a luxury residence (usually condo/apartment). Or, they'll do an outcall.

Whenever you open the door your jaw drops. These providers are always incredibly sexy and very warm and welcoming.

Base level service is almost always GFE, including MSOG, BBBJ, DFK and more. They almost always offer a VIP/PSE package. These providers are usually more likely to engage in kinkier and more taboo acts. They also have consistent 9 or 10 out or 10 reviews on TER. As always, YMMV but if you're trying to have a mind blowing experience that redefines what sex means to you, you're more likely to find it here.

The Verdict: It is quite simply, the best way to do it. There is nothing like a two or three hour booking with a high priced provider. They are almost always sexy and freaky.

IS IT WORTH IT?

This is up for you to decide. Everything I wrote above was based on my experience, so YMMV. I personally noticed that in this hobby, what you pay is what you get.

The girls that charge more money have invested more time, money and effort into providing. That willingness to invest does more than just create slick marketing materials, it also reflects an effort that carries over into any meeting. I'm personally spoiled and can never go back. It just is on average a consistently better experience every time I start spending more money.,