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Whatever Happened to James Damore (Google engineer who was fired for complaining about diversity initiatives)?
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For those who don't know (or don't remember) James Damore was a Google engineer who was fired from the company in August 2017 after it was discovered that he was the author of an internal memo titled "Google's Ideological Echo Chamber" which went through the usual biological essentialist song and dance we've all come to know and expect from IDW types about how women are built differently from men and this why there are less of them in tech... you know the drill. After his firing, he decided that a winning move to prove he wasn't a misogynist was to go on Stefan Molyneux's show (BTW, I'm not saying he should've been fired for what he did, I just found that kind of amusing).

For a while afterwards he was a fixture on the IDW podcast circuit, being interviewed by all the usual suspects (Rogan, Rubin, Peterson, Milo (who was still just about a thing back then), Gad Saad, the Weinsteins etc.) Then, circa late 2018-2019 he just kind of disappeared. His Twitter account's still up, but there's been no activity for over a year and I haven't seen him brought up or interviewed anywhere, so I was curious what happened to him. The last I remember hearing about him was when he caused some controversy by posting a thought experiment on Twitter which was interpreted as racist and got some blowback, but I don't know if that had anything to do with it.

My own theory is that unlike Bret Weinstein, who came to prominence thanks to a similar controversy, he didn't really try and parlay his 15 minutes of fame into a long term career by starting his own podcast or blog, so he ended up being forgotten when the controversy mill moved onto the Next Big Thing (TM), but I was wondering if anyone knew any differently.

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And my point is that sure, it’s not 50/50.  But it’s also not the 80/20 or worse that we have seen.  We know the current state distribution is a product of massive social discouragement of women getting into tech, of rampant sexual harassment, and women quitting because of toxic misogyny.

You can make the same argument about underrepresentation of black people, and I can highlight the constant racism and underpayment that I personally have faced that have influenced me leaving Google.

That’s why the argument dude (and you) are making is insidiously bad faith.  There are well documented social factors that discourage female participation in the space that you cannot discount when making broad generalizations about gender suitability for tech based on current state gender distribution 

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 if you somehow eliminated discrimination from the equation, you would still not theoretically expect 50/50 representation assuming freedom of occupational choice.

Sure, but by the same token, they aren’t actually so great that the actual representation of women in tech reflects the true distribution either.  Since google was getting sued for sexual discrimination they were very much culpable for, and behaviors that are rampant in the industry.

Dude just plain ignored real world socialization that was happening right in front of him to play into sexist tropes that represented abjectly poor statistical analysis.  That’s why it’s not benign, it’s outright bad faith.  Evidenced by him being coached by Jordan Peterson and immediately hitting the alt right media circuit and nowhere else.

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I think it’s ok to cancel someone who actively creates a hostile work environment.

Not gonna keep one male asshole at the expense of losing dozens of female engineers

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Oh, you mean you can say any kind of insulting shit and just claim autism to not face consequences?

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Google Cloud was serious about it.  A particularly shit review of our leadership in our org in 2020 lead to some middle management firings

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Still is.

People were just insulted by it and shared it.

Remember, google was being sued for sexual discrimination at the time.  Reading the room is a critical life skill

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Sucks when you hold up a mirror and see something gross, huh?

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From all reports (I started at google 3 years after he was gone), this was the bad faith approach to “just asking questions” given the gross statistical errors on which his narrative was founded.

The fact that he was coached by Jordan Peterson and immediately hit the alt right media circuit when the shit hit the fan is more evidence of the malicious intent.

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Google settled, so he likely got something low 6 figures

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The SF types are shy Tory Liberals.  They make a big show about progressive values because Sam Francisco, but support a fiscally conservative platform

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I think you would be wrong most of the time for African immigrants.

We confuse the fuck out of white Americans about how we vote, because you guys treat black as an ethnic group rather than people who happen to have the same skin color.

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