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God giving us free will means he is not all loving and all powerful
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A common response to the evil problem is that God allows suffering and evil to exist in order to be logically sound with free will. God wanted free will and therefore suffering must exist as a fact. This I can be willing to concede to, however what I am unable to concede to is the claim God WANTED free will. Before I begin to explain why this is the case I want to make another claim similar to the free will issue. The argument that God wants free will because he wants us to be able to accept him or deny him means he is also not all loving. Let’s begin the argument.

Suffering is only loving if you can grow into goodness e.g. a coach making a player run

If goodness can already be achieved without suffering then suffering is not unloving e.g. the coach can make the player gain the experience, knowledge of the hard work, and be the fastest player in the world Goodness can be achieved through God without suffering as he is all powerful and therefore since it doesn’t then he is unloving imposing suffering

This is the argument for the problem of evil and it is “resolved” by free will. But the issue with saying “oh but God wants suffering because of free will” is that it allows for unproductive free will i.e. suffering without growth. Suffering therefore becomes meaningless and lovingless because of FREE WILL. I will not delve into the claim “No free will is unloving”. Even if that we’re the case, since I have hopefully proved that the existence of free will is unloving then regardless both is unloving.

Furthermore wanting free will for human choice to occur still follows under the same problem. Quite literally free will is unproductive and although even may be “necessary” for choice or anything else, does not actually resolve that it is an unloving decision to bestow a disposition of free will when you’re all powerful. Such as Jesus said to Judas that it would have been better if he were never born, it would have been better for humanity to never have had free will

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It seems like the user is exploring the intricacies of free will and its implications on the nature of God's love and power. They're questioning whether suffering is a necessary byproduct of free will and whether God truly desires it. It's an interesting perspective to consider in the ongoing debate about the existence of evil in a world created by a supposedly all-loving and all-powerful deity.

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