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Natalie's work has contributed to many deradicalised right-wingers. But as she points out in 'Men', it's less of deradicalising, and more of re-radicalising far to the left, which is a step towards the right direction towards our ideals of equality and justice.
Natalie in 'The Witch Trials of JK Rowling' said this in Chapter 5: Debate at 56:25
When I did deradicalization work on YouTube I used to get some criticism from people of color who were not thrilled that I was bringing a bunch of semi-reformed racists over to the left, a frustration that I totally understand. To paraphrase YouTuber Ian Danskin, diverse leftist communities are maybe not the best holding space for someone who's "A bit of Nazi but working on it".
She references Innuendo Studio's "How to Radicalise a Normie" at around 38:59
I don't know that lefty spaces are ideal for this, in no small part because bringing someone who's a bit of a Nazi but working on it into diverse communities is⦠questionable.
Basically, he argues that newly deradicalised right-wingers should have a holding space for them to internalise and think about their worldview etc. And that this should be done privately and not publically. "Change Gabe's surroundings and you change Gabe."
Here are my thoughts:
- Why is it frustrating to get reformed Nazis into the left? And should this concern be taken seriously? And by this I mean that isn't it an overwhelming net positive to get more people to vote left-leaning candidates and policies, and sometimes even advocate for these issues online, regardless of how racist or homophobic these people are (or used to be)?
I can understand that casual racism, or homophobia can be off-putting and sometimes even inhospitable in certain situations. And we should definitely be aware of such issues. We should raise awareness for those who are ignorant. That will take time.
But in the mean time, shouldn't it be the priority to make sure that we have as many people on the side of the left as possible? A casual homophobe or racist person that votes for say minimum wage, capital gains tax, wealth tax etc. belongs to the left... no matter how much we want to shun them. I speak for myself, but I think if people can be moved over to vote for policies we want, and contribute towards pushing for them, it's better than nothing?
I support having safe-spaces for marginalised communities. At the same time, this is a platform which, ideally, is ready to always engage with the other side (or even among each other?! O.o) to win on public platforms, in a battle in the polling booths, for public opinion etc. I think getting as many people on board with the broad goals of left-leaning thought should be the priority. - Increased interaction with different races (integration) is shown to decrease racist attitudes. And I'm sure similar results can be obtained for attitudes towards LGBTQ people. I used to be very transphobic when I was much younger and when I encountered Natalie's work, and getting into these leftist spaces in general, made me more aware of LGBT issues.
Doesn't this mean that diverse communities is the solution for these deradicalised alt-righters? Because, it'll help them to, unironically, become more woke?
What are your thoughts?
The entry point for reformed/ moving-left righties should definitely not be "diverse leftist communities" as she put it. It would be better if it was more of a political space than a social/ communal space or safe space. Ideally occupied by professionals and allies who are a) doing the Work and b) able to educate our new friends.
And I do think this work needs to be done publicly, at least in part. If it weren't for patient people on the left helping me understand things that I had no perspective on, I would absolutely still be a Bible thumping homophobe that wouldn't have a relationship with my dads. The public aspect of it was useful for accountability and, obviously, visibility. Other religiously indoctrinated teens could see my journey and hopefully understand a little bit better why I chose to leave that behind.
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