I am not the original poster. This is a repost.

Originally posted by u/vicki5150 two years ago in r/LegalAdviceUK.

Flaired "Inconclusive" as we don't know if OOP ultimately got her neighbors to respect her parking spaces.

My neighbour claims they own the land directly outside my house. They dont live next door. They live at the other end of the street! 22 July 2020

Hey guys, I’m looking for a little bit of advice regarding a property dispute. I have uploaded a hand drawn map here (excuse the quality).

Where I live is kind of tucked around a corner. You have to drive over a dropped curb to get to us but there are 7 houses in the row.

I live in number 17. The neighbour who I have the dispute with lives in number 25. The area labelled G & D is the garage and drive ways for number 15, 24, 25 and 27. Number 15 is a coach house. The garage and drive way for numbers 17, 19 and 21 are around the corner beneath another coach house.

The area in dispute is the two car parking spaces labelled P x 2.

If there is no space to park in the area labelled P x 2 the only option is to line cars up along the fence that follows the arrows I have drawn.

Number 25 has three cars. We have two cars.

One of our cars is always parked on our drive way around the corner.

The issue is that number 25 has a habit of switching their cars over so that if one of them goes out one of their other cars is always occupying the space labelled P x 2. Often leaving their drive way empty. This effectively means that no one else is ever able to parking in those spaces because they are deliberately making sure they are always parked there.

When we moved here I thought it was strange that they did that so I emailed my landlord to ask if we were allowed to park there. The landlord said they are visitor spaces and we have just as much right to park there as anyone else.

Yesterday, as I came home two of their cars were pulling away from the spaces (effectively driving against the arrows I have drawn) so I drove straight into the parking space. As I got out of the car a young woman came running up to me to say she was about to put her car there (I genuinely thought they were going out, but since this has been pissing me off for months I decided to question it). So I asked her why? She looked puzzled and again said, I was going to put my car there. So I pointed out that her own drive way was empty. What followed was a bunch of verbal abuse to which I responded that everyone else has just as much right to park there and I walked away. As I did she said, ‘we own the deed to this area so if you want to be like that we will stop you coming around here altogether’.

Now I personally think she is full of it. However, my questions are:

What is the likely hood that number 25 owns the piece of land that leads around to the front doors of numbers 15-27?

Is there a way that I can find out if that piece of land is privately owned or owned by the council?

If I pay to get the boundary map for number 25 from the .gov website is this likely to show if they own that separate piece of land? Or would that piece of land be listed separately on its own deed?

Any help would be appreciated as if really love to be able to prove that everyone else who lives around here is just as entitled to those spaces as they are.

Edit: this is in Wales.

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[Update] My neighbour claims they own the land directly outside my house. They don’t live next door. They live at the other end of the street! 23 Jul 2020

TL:DR I was in the right. The space is on my deed but neighbours are continuing to be idiots about it.

Hi guys, previous post here.

Thank you to the people who replied to my original message. I had a think about all the options that were suggested to me and I decided that the best way to be sure and put this whole issue to bed was to get hold of the deeds. Boy, was I wrong! It turns out I am dealing with complete idiots.

I have attached an image of the deeds here.. Left is neighbours I’m having the dispute with and right is myself and next door.

After being threatened with ‘we own the deed to this piece of land so we will stop you driving around here altogether’. I decided to get a copy of their deed to see where I stand. As you can see, they are either lying or they do not understand the way in which the deed is drawn. A portion is marked for them to access their drive way and garage which is beneath the coach house but it does not cover the whole of the entry road. Meaning they have no rights to prevent anyone from driving around here.

After seeing their deed I decided to ask get a copy of mine. Just out of curiosity. And this is the best part! The specific space that she gave me abuse for parking in earlier in the week belongs to this house! I almost pissed my pants!

But there is a space next to that one. So I quickly put two and two together and I bought the deed for next door. Yep. That space belongs to them!

These absolute knobheads have been switching their three cars around to prevent us from parking in spaces that belong to our properties!!

So at this point I’m bouncing. I want to go down there and knock on their front door and wave the deeds in their face. But I decide to calm down first and just catch them when they are outside.

Around 9pm last night I heard a car door slam and when I looked out the window it was her. This was my moment! I grabbed my phone (which is already preloaded with images of the deeds) and opened the front door.

As she walked past I said, ‘hey, can I talk to you for a second.’

When she came over I said, ‘after what you said to me yesterday I decided to have a look at the deeds and as it turns out, this space is actually ours. I have the deed here. I can show you.’

Her response: ‘no it’s not.’

What is wrong with this woman?

Me: ‘no, honestly I have the deed. This one is ours and that one is next doors.’

Her: ‘no, we’ve had this conversation with your neighbour before. It’s not.’

At this point I gave up. This woman is a total idiot. So I just said look, it’s my space don’t park in it. And as I walked in the house I heard her call me a bitch.

Now I was raised with 5 brothers. 10 years ago my response to that would have been to really go at it. But I decided to just ignore it.

Since she said she’d already talked to my neighbour I went out into my back garden to have a little look if next doors lights were on and then I gave her a knock. I said, ‘I don’t know if you’ve heard but I’ve been having trouble with the woman down the road.’

She said, yes she had heard. And she is completely wrong. She knows that space is hers. She has told them in the past and her landlord has told them in the past but they just keep parking there. We are dealing with some seriously entitled idiots here!

The problem now is, how do I move forward? I’ve thought about printing copies of the deed and every time they park in that space leaving them on their windshield. I’ve also thought about outright blocking them in. Or, if I come home and they are in that space but their drive way is empty, which is usually the case, maybe I’ll just park in their drive way.

At the moment, I’m completely in the right and I’d like to take the high ground whilst still getting my desired outcome. But it is so, so hard when you are dealing with idiots to not stoop to their level.

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