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Pools and how they're a youth protection problem outside of Scouting
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It's clear the BSA has overstepped on YP outside of actual Scouting activities and facilities to the point the rules are no longer practical to implement in the entirety.

And once that's the case we all start moving the line.

You can see this with the sleepover rules where they tell you what to do in your own home where your kid invites a friend over

https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/yp-faqs/

It's worse than that.

The guide to safe Scouting on aquatics allows using a public pool for an activity. Could be swimming merit badge or just practice towards first class

When you read the very logical shower house rules in GSS you can see that under Youth Protection standards you can not be in a single male or female shower area that doesn't post separate times for youth and adults. Makes sense when the council owns the pool.

I certainly can't imagine that if a sleepover isn't ok that a changing room with showers is not viewed as equally unacceptable to be in across ages.

You will need to rent an entire pool facility to follow YP, shutting down shower houses, changing rooms and bathrooms to unlimited public use because you need to post times. You need to be in control of the facility.

In the same sense you shouldn't go to a public pool changing room without going with another adult, ever, lest you run into a Scout, and you don't even need to know the Scout necessarily. YP would enable someone to report you even if you had no idea that 17 year old was a Scout, it wasn't a Scouting event because they set an "anywhere, anytime" standard

The BSA needs to step back and let the standards of a public facility apply unless it's a formal Scouting event, with much more reasonable rules where full standards can't apply

Take a changing room at a pool. Which is better, to have two adults in there with the Scouts, standing with their back turned just inside the doorway, or to let one Scout be the last one, alone with a single adult they don't know because it's a public pool.

YP has gotten so strict and yet is so far away from practicalities.

The entire YP program needs an overhaul to go back to practicalities.

Case in point, a boy and girl today can't be a buddy on a hike. It's not ok despite having adults who can see them at all times. It doesn't qualify this even for siblings. Siblings who can share a tent with their parent in Cubs. The rule needs to be more like "an unrelated boy and girl can't be alone or out of sight together" and that's it. Simple and to the point, 100% of units can follow that no question. Its simplicity makes it easy to follow and hard to argue you didn't ignore it when broken. Units can set qualifying rules around this as needed.

The FAQ includes the buddy item. https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/yp-faqs/

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