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I (22m) am concerned about my girlfriend’s (22f) philosophy regarding plastic surgery, particularly when I think about the possibility of raising children together. What are your thoughts?
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We have been dating for over two years and have been talking about wanting to move in together and the potential of getting married and having kids eventually.

I already knew that she felt insecure about her boob size and she had mentioned in the past the thought of getting breast implants. She has also talked about wanting a nose job. In the past when this came up I emphasized how I think she looks beautiful how she is, and she would say how she’s always disliked those features about herself and had hoped her boobs would get bigger as she got older but they haven’t.

This topic hadn’t come up for a year or so until recently when she mentioned wanting a boob job. I told her that (on top of thinking she’s beautiful and shouldn’t want to change anything in the first place) what’s mostly concerning to me is the fact that she values physical features like boob size or nose shape enough to pay money to undergo surgery to change them. I asked her what she would tell a hypothetical daughter if she felt insecure about having small boobs. She said she would tell her daughter that if she continued to feel that way when she was older she could get surgery — nothing about challenging the societal pressure to look a certain way, or emphasizing that there’s nothing she should want to change.

She told me, “Looks DO matter, especially for women.” By which she means that the unfortunate truth is that people (mostly women) are treated better or worse based on their appearance. It’s this that is the main concern for me. I don’t want to raise my children with the philosophy that they must conform to societal beauty expectations to succeed.

I also recognize that I’m a man and a lot of this stuff is easier said than done. That’s why I’m posting. I’m very interested to hear people’s thoughts about this.

PS I feel like it’s relevant to also say that she’s black (I’m white), so, particularly with the nose thing, it’s also a question of white beauty standards.

EDIT: I want to clarify some things since I keep getting similar responses that seem to be misinterpreting what I mean.

This isn’t about controlling if she does or doesn’t get plastic surgery. It’s about sharing the same values. I mentioned having kids because I want to be very deliberate with the values I instill in the children I hope to one day have.

I’ve gotten some replies suggesting that if I’m turning to Reddit to settle an argument, then we should just break up. Honestly it’s kinda funny seeing these, since it’s become a bit of a meme that people on Reddit always jump to telling people to break up or get divorced, and this is the first time it’s happened to me. I should clarify that this has never been an argument or fight between us. It’s just a conversation we had that I wanted new perspectives on.

A lot of people are commenting “her body her choice.” I never meant to imply that I think I should be making decisions for her and her body. I am only concerned because I think it is incongruent with my values and the values I would want to teach my hypothetical children. It’s my understanding that the vast majority of feminist writers and academics disagree with “choice feminism,” the idea that any choice a woman makes for herself/her body is a feminist choice. It is still possible for women to make choices which perpetuate patriarchal attitudes. I made this post to ask about the feminist/woman’s perspective on the practicality of this issue that I don’t have any first-hand experience with. If you still want to reply to this point, I do want to understand the experiences that lead people to get plastic surgery. I don’t find it helpful when people just say that as a man I have to accept whatever a woman says without trying to understand first.

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I've had to drastically tone down what I like in regards to style. Colorful hair, tattoos, piercings, and dark makeup never really got me the professional treatment I wanted and deserved because I wasn't any different from anyone else. But genuinely if I didn't "conform" with society, I would have been seriously hard pressed to find a job that would accept me in a field I wanted (medical or teaching). But there's also just a lot about being a dark skinned woman in general that already gives me societal stigmas to beat.

But I think the most important thing that I haven't seen an answer to yet (I'm still scrolling) is, does she want plastic surgery because of societal pressures to look a certain way or because she's just not happy with herself. One can affect the other greatly, but there is a difference in "they said I need to look this way so I will to fit in better" and "I don't like the way breasts look. It doesn't make me feel as confident as I should". Those feelings CAN translate to any potential children. A large reason I dislike my breasts has nothing to do with society and everything to do with hearing all my life how much my mother hated her because they sagged after breastfeeding. Mine are definitely bigger than hers but not really BIG (a normal D cup. Bit bigger maybe). Heard a lot about how small and flat she was and hated it... I started buying pushup bras at 13... But she also never made an effort to explain that she hated that for herself and it had nothing to do with me. Same as she loves straight and blonde for her hair but thinks I look nicer with my color or dark hair. She can hate something for herself and not let that translate to any potential daughters that they should dislike it too.

I never thought my eyes were nice until I saw my son's. Now I think they're beautiful. Or my button nose until he looked like a little Who to me. I disliked so much of my own appearance until a friend asked how I (being bisexual) loved and thought the same things I hate about myself was beautiful on other women. Working on it. But it's a process. She needs to work on it too. No amount of you're beautiful to me will fix it until she feels it herself.

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The dangers are also a big thing that is not as talked about as it should be. So often plastic surgery is made to be a "simple" procedure and it's not. It's often grueling. Long and careful healing. Sometimes accidents. Sometimes unfavorable results. Sometimes deaths. I've always told others, if YOU dislike your own appearance enough to disregard all the cautions and cost, do what is best for your mental health and self love. But do not take it lightly. If you don't dislike it enough to take those risks, don't do it. Especially if you're planning to have kids later because that can change so many things about your body. Enough you may not have needed surgery to begin with. You may need it AGAIN. You may decide there are other things you would rather focus on as you're older. Think about it carefully beyond a method of fixing what you see as unpleasant. But I also hate that idea of "exercise to get the body you want" or something that is often said. Every change can not be made organically and what can is not always that way for every person.

But truthfully, at her age, she likely hasn't hit what my family calls second puberty lol. When your body changes all over again. Sometimes big. Sometimes small. But it changes.

I love it how you specify in the edit that you don’t find the only correct response helpful.

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