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I am watching the show for the first time and have been surprised that I haven’t enjoyed season two that much. I’m aware most people date season two as the best season of the series but for me it’s felt really really messy? I enjoyed season one but gave allowances for certain things that didn’t work imo because the first season is always finding itself. So I was excited to get to S2 because I had heard it’s the best and also assumed it would have found it’s rhythm. But I must say I have actually found myself preferring season one! Is it just me or have others found Cordelia and Wesley really really irritating this season? All they do is revolve around and moan about Angel! They have no real storylines of their own and when they are on screen they just talk about Angel. Gun has been similar but not as annoying as those two imo. I also HATE how they treat Angel when he comes back to them after his ‘epiphany’ (which is another thing I have a gripe about) They are acting as if he killed their family members or something? I get that he went rogue and fired them but it feels extremely unwarranted how they’re acting when he comes back. Wesley insinuating that he was shot BECAUSE Angel abandoned them? Complete BS. Wesley gets badly injured by Faith when Angel was there. He always has the possibility of being injured because it’s the nature of the job. Also they are saying how he abandoned them or what not and not once did they ask Angel what happened or what he was going through. They’re really irritating to watch imo. I also have just found the entire plot and arc of the season really messy or something? A lot of the smaller plots in the episodes just feel so confusing to me? Like I’m not really getting what they’re saying? Could just be me but I’m watching with my brother and he feels exactly the same. Wolfram and Heart also feels just extremely tired at this point. The whole storyline with them just feels like it should have ended about 15 episodes ago (I’m on ep 21 btw) And Angels epiphany. Sorry, maybe I’m being really dense here…. But what was it? He realised that because he had sex with Darla but didn’t lose his soul that he is meant to be doing good? It just really wasn’t clear to me at all. I know I’ve been negative about a lot of it but there have also been parts I loved. Just wanted to express that. Curious about other peoples thoughts
I also HATE how they treat Angel when he comes back to them after his ‘epiphany’
No. angel sacked them and completely abandoned them.
Their actions and emotions were justified. They made Angel make amends, and he understood.
Why is it fine with Angel and not you? lol
Wolfram and Heart also feels just extremely tired at this point.
Without giving anything away, Wolfram and Heart have a massive say in the series as a whole.
Sorry, maybe I’m being really dense here…. But what was it? He realised that because he had sex with Darla but didn’t lose his soul that he is meant to be doing good? It just really wasn’t clear to me at all.
Do you know what an epiphany is? It's a moment of clarity that can change your entire outlook. Angel was willing to lose his soul (for all he knew he would lose his soul) because he had enough of life slapping him.
Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can find yourself.
It's a lot deeper than you're giving it credit for.
Season 1 was very good. Season 2 was excellent. Season 3 was absolutely atrocious (Joss was too busy working on "Fireflly" to give AtVs his attention) Season 4 was great and Season 5 was amazing.
Stick with the show as it will begin to click with you. I would advice you to skip Season 3, but watch it and make up your own mind.
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Cordelia is in the job because of the visions. She can't exactly get an office job when she has mind shredding visions.
Have you never been unhappy with someone and been moody and kept a grudge? Not everything is black and white. They were mad at Amgel, so they probably didn't care what his reasons were.
His epiphany was that he needed Gunn, Lorne, Cordelia and Wes. Which is why he returned.
Seasons 4 and 5 are brilliant. Season 3 is.. not.
Also, watch "Firefly" if you haven't already seen it. Brilliant show. And then "Serenity" which is the movie.