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Hello All!
You may have noticed (we hope, but probably not) that our auto-note on posts has recently changed. Specifically, it now starts with:
Do not comment on the original posts
Commenting on the original posts is known as brigading, and brigading is something that Reddit does not allow. The idea is that Reddit does not want users from one sub heading to another sub to manipulate votes or change the mood/response that members of another subreddit had.
For instance, if we were an anti-cake subreddit, and we all posted links to posts from cake subs that we especially didn't like, and our members went over to the cake sub to tell people we hate their lousy, crappy, dry, unoriginal cakes and that pie is far superior, that would be brigading. Likewise, if a lot of members loved pies, and some members occasionally posted links from a pie sub so that our members would head over there to talk about the lovely, amazing, delicious pies, that would still be considered brigading, even though it is positive.
Now that we have the 7 day rule (all updates/final posts must be at least 7 days old in order to be posted here) it is VERY easy to tell when our members are brigading another sub. It's easy for us to tell, and it's easy for Reddit to tell. Even if you don't comment on our BoRU post, but head over to one of the original posts to comment, it is assumed that you saw the post from the sub that just published it and that dozens (or hundreds) of people didn't randomly discover an old post and start commenting on it and that just happened by magically be at the same time that the story went up on BoRU.
Several lovely subs that posters get a fair bit of material from are considering no longer allowing cross-posting because of brigading. Because of this, we are going to be changing our policies on brigading. Previously, if someone commented on one of the original posts, we banned them until they removed their comments, then unbanned them.
Because of the uptick in bans (and quite a few people being repeatedly banned then unbanned), we will no longer be removing bans for brigaging.
If you go on the original post and comment, you will be banned from BoRU.
Please help us follow Reddit's rules and refrain from commenting on the original posts.
Also, this shouldn't need to be said, but it probably does:
If you send the OOP a DM based off of a BoRU post, and they let us know, you will be banned from BoRU and reported to Reddit, which may result in your account being permanently suspended.
Thank you for your cooperating with this, and helping us to make sure we follow Reddit's policies.
Editing to add u/amireallyreal's excellent further explanation of why this is important. Bolded emphasis is mine:
One issue when 80 people comment on a post that is 7 days old or more, is that it does look a lot like a coordinated effort, especially if the majority of those comments are rude, critical, aggressive, or demanding. There doesn't really need to be one unifying post/comment on our sub saying "yeah, let's target THIS post" for it to set off all the red flags that indicate brigading.
Moreover, the mods of other subs don't like it. They don't like having to go to a post that's 7 days old to lock threads, remove abusive comments, and ban people. It adds a lot of extra work to their plate on top of the regular work they have to do on current posts to maintain their subs. We want to respect the mods of the subs we pull content from. Without their work, there would be no BoRu.
Good question - to err on the side of safety, I would say not to comment.
This shouldn't be a problem often with the subs that are drawn from most often though, as they typically have a high volume of submissions, so the chances of you seeing a post here and seeing a week old post from a sub that gets hundreds of submissions a day is pretty low.
For funsies, I just took a look at a few of our more popular source subs and I couldn't get to the posts that were a week old unless I changed my feed settings to Top - Month. If your feed settings are usually set to Hot or New, I don't think you would have an issue.
It has to be for all comment, even positive ones.
The reasoning behind that (as I understand it) is that even positive comments may either change the tenor of the original sub/original advice OR overwhelm the OOP at a time when they were not expecting an incoming slew of messages. There have been a few instances where OOP's got flooded with responses (even positive ones) and then deleted/stopped updating because it was too overwhelming. So we want to ensure that we don't cause people to stop looking for advice or updating by actions our members took.
This is all correct!
In the past, several defunct subs had a sort of "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" no brigading rule so that they could say "But we don't encourage brigading, see, it's even in our rules not to!" BUT Reddit still found them to be allowing brigading by not taking active action against people going to another sub to comment & vote by banning those members and cracking down on brigading.
So as you said, shutting it all down before it starts is really the best way to make it clear that we're not encouraging or allowing brigading.
We have in the past, and will continue to do so.
Yes, you can always read the original post and comments. It's commenting in the original posts that is considered brigading and against Reddit's rules.
Brigading also extends to voting, but we can't see the voting, so there is nothing we can do there.
My understanding is that Reddit admins can see the voting though. I have no idea what causes them to take notice of a person and review their Redditing history, but my understanding is that if someone was flagged for bad behavior in another way (for instance if someone reported an account for repeatedly harassing other people), then anything they did that was against the ToS (like brigading) would be taken into account and provide further reason to have the account suspended.
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If you comment when the original post comes out, we won't even notice, because when we ban, we filter the comments on the original post(s) by "New" and stop once we hit the comments that were posted before our BoRU post was put up.
The same goes with updates, because now everything has to be out for 7 days to be posted. So if someone posted an original post on Nov 1st and you commented on it around then, and then they posted an update on Nov 19th and commented then, and then the post went up today at 5:45, we'd only look on both posts from now until today at 5:45. We wouldn't see any of your earlier comments, even if you stumbled across the post(s) a few days after they were made and commented on.
Sound good? I'm not 100% sure I answered all your questions & want to make sure we're clear.